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  1. Stick
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 5:03 pm |

    The war of Northern Aggression

    The battle for states’ rights

  2. iD
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 6:13 pm |

    Gettysburg was simply awful, in large part due to the fact that Martin Sheen as Robert E. Lee was one of the all-time worst casting decisions ever made.

    Gods and Generals was considerably better. It gives me hope for The Last Full Measure.

  3. dick not quite dead white guy
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 7:08 pm |

    Glory gets my vote as best ACW film ever. A friend who is an avid nutso anal-retentive Confederate reenactor picks this genre apart, but said after many viewings he could find only one small technical error in clothes, accoutrements, etc.
    I talked a good friend into going to see it and I remember him commenting as we left the theater “Damn, I couldn’t have stood another five minutes of that emotion” with a tear running down his cheek.

  4. mojo
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 7:28 pm |

    How’s it turn out?

  5. mojo
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 7:29 pm |

    The suspense is killing me.

  6. Lord of the Fleas
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm |

    The score is North – 1, South – 0.

    Stay tuned – we’ll be right back for the second half kickoff.

  7. Posted April 4, 2011 at 8:14 pm |

    Glory does have to be one of the more accurate depictions of the late unpleasantness.

    I just watched Ride with the Devil and it is startlingly good considering it has spiderman and Jewel in it… It’s especillay good if you like the Missouri/Kansas border war aspect.

    I’m going to be in my first reenactment in 10 years this coming weekend over in Trinity, NC. My drill is a little rusty, and my uniform seems to have shrunk some, but I can hardly wait…

    I’m also going to the 150th Manassas this year

  8. DougM
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 8:38 pm |

    Thanks, TUA
    There are some great pictures there.
    My top four on the list:
    • Glory
    • The Horse Soldiers (based on a real operation, it’s not a “western” … and it’s the source of my pet name for Sondra, “Missy”)
    • The General
    • Major Dundee

    I wonder how many a DVR will hold?
    It’s either that, or nuthin’s gettin’ done this month.

  9. Colonel Jerry USMC
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 8:42 pm |

    Personally, I enjoyed Ken Burns “The Civil War”. No production can really reproduce that war unless it lasts from beginning to end—in real time and has a cast that is equal to the millions who were involved directly and indirectly. Plus it would have to extend through the years of Reconstruction and then finish with interviews of every Civil War veteran that lived to attend the last gathering in 1938!

    The saddest discovery that I made in years of reading was an event that happened in 1862 that could have ended the war within a year or less. Oddly I have never found it anywhere else in all the books.

    Sorry, but I don`t have all the names involved, but it took place in Tennessee. A Union Calvary Regt. C.O. spent his own money to buy his men Springfield Repeating 7 shot rifles. The Confederates were pushing North thru Tenn. and the Union General sent this regt South to recon the Rebel front lines and report back. A Lt/Col led his Battalion to a fence line in front of the Rebs, dismounted and place his men along the fence. The Rebels attacked with a Division! The Union bn. mowed them down with their repeating rifles, wave after wave after wave!!!! The Union General sent his adjutant forward with orders for this battalion to retreat, but the C.O. refused the order and was warned he would be court-martialed! This ONE battalion with repeating rifles decimated the Rebel Division to the point that the Conferates cancelled their entire push Northward and retreated!!!!! AND, the Rebel General was sure that he had engaged an entire Union Division, instead of 1 Union battalion with repeating rifles!!!!

    If the Union had realized what a repeating rifle could do—-and immediately bought and issued repeating rifles to the entire Union Army, they would have shortened the war by half!!!!!!!

    BUT, some supply-weenie in Washington argued that soldiers would waste ammunition and not attempt “aimed fire” —–thus keeping the soldiers firing one shot muzzleloaders!!!!!!!

    Soooo men died in large numbers until 12 April, 1865 when the technology was available to prevent all those deaths……………………..

  10. geezerette
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 9:17 pm |

    150th just think what’s happened since– in just these few years– I have my Great grandfathers discharge papers from the Civil War– He inlisted in 1865 at the age of 18 and was discharged in 1866– non of us could ever know what it was really like at that time–

  11. iD
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 10:22 pm |

    Col. Jerry, it’s a good story, and more or less true, but it has a few flaws.

    The incident was the Battle of Hoover’s Gap. The Union colonel who bought the guns with his own money was John Wilder. His troops did in fact hold off a significant Confederate assault.

    But… the gun was the Spencer Repeating Rifle. It had already been adopted in relatively small numbers by the US Navy and Army. Orders were limited by Spencer’s limited production capacity, failures of early models under evaluation, price, and other issues (read the links below for more info). There was some resistance to the rifle in the war department, but it was with good cause.

    Once Spencer had perfected the design, and demonstrated it to Lincoln at a shooting match (on the National Mall!), Lincoln was an enthusiastic supporter and directed the Army to procure more. Still, the same issues that had hindered its adoption before were still present, excepting reliability. Troops and commanders who used the rifle in battle were, however, very fond of it.

    Civil War Guns
    The Washington Times

  12. mojo
    Posted April 4, 2011 at 11:26 pm |

    The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

  13. Posted April 5, 2011 at 7:16 am |

    Dick, my friend Bill Max is responsible. He’s the Sergeant Major running the mail call in the credits- was the technical adviser, he comes from a re-enacting background.

    He told me that the movie people on that production basically recognized that the CW geeks knew their stuff, told them what they wantd, and let them make it happen.

    He also had the opportunity to do Gettysburg, but didn’t because the movie people didn’t get that message.

    He did hear that when Jane Fonda visited the Yankee camp, there was so much booing and such that they hustled her out and wouldn’t let her come back for safety reasons.

  14. Posted April 5, 2011 at 7:55 am |

    BTW, my avatar IS me on my sorrel Hermanito in full uniform sporting an 1861 Colt .44 army

  15. Alan the outback bacon czar
    Posted April 5, 2011 at 10:09 am |

    Who won?

  16. dick not quite dead white guy
    Posted April 5, 2011 at 6:38 pm |

    Thanks for the info staghounds. Your friend did a fine job.