here’s yer sign
The guy has his gun out and is trying to shoot police officers,” Bloomberg said.
The cops unleashed a torrent of shots, cutting down the suspect and possibly hitting some of the nine innocent bystanders who were caught in the mayhem.
Just minutes before the mayhem, Mayor Bloomberg was warning about the dangers of “too many guns on the streets” on his weekly radio show.
“The argument guns don’t kill people, people kill people is one of the most disingenuous things you can say,” he said shortly before 9 a.m. while discussing tougher guns laws being proposed in Albany.
“It does take a person to pull the trigger, but if they didn’t have the gun… We are the only developed country in the world with this problem.”
[David Klinger, an associate professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis and senior research scientist at the Police Foundation who studies officer-involved shootings said, “The proper procedure is to do whatever you can to stop the suspect as quickly as possible before he shoots anybody, either yourself or innocent citizens,” ...
“The officer has to stop the threat.” Waiting, he notes, could have meant Johnson shooting the officers, leaving no one else around to stop him from hurting others. …
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So… According to nanny bloomberg the perp walked right up behind the victim, but if he’d had a butcher knife instead of a gun, he’d have been unable to do anything.
Good to know.
I also love how they’re trying to make a big deal out of the fact his gun would hold EIGHT bullets! OMG! EIGHT!
Course, the cops shot more people than that.
So, in NYC, they have to shoot the civilians to save them?
They shoot them as a precaution, just in case one of them is with the perp. It’s the NYPD way.
Remarkably, the 2 officers fired 16 shots between them, hitting the perp 7 times – given the 9 other injured people, all rounds seem to be accounted for.
And Pat Dollard found some incident related stereotyping that I find hilarious.
Just a reminder of what will happen if they get their way.
http://youtu.be/p8RDWltHxRc
Even the cops kill citizens in a no-gun zone.
This shootout at the OK Corral needs a little perspective.
The distance between the cops and the perp was about 10 ft, give or take. On a pistol range most accomplished shooters could put all their rounds in the 10 ring.
BUT, my readings say the perp *…pulled his gun when he saw the cops…* As a veteran who experienced close ground combat, speaking for myself, that fucking CHANGES everything! You are shooting to live not hit no fucking 10 ring from 10 feet!
It appears that 7 out of 16 shots hit the perp and 2 or 3 rounds hit the bystanders; the rest of the bystanders being wounded by bullet fragments, or fragments caused by the bullets hitting something.
I imagine the cops likely fired as quickly as they could and emptied their 8 round magazines asap……. I am thankful they did not kill any bystanders.
I seriously doubt they were thinking “sight alignment, breath control & trigger squeeze”…………
They never learn. Side note and a question.
I was just reading up on Federal Gun Laws. I am the Proud owner of a “few”, pre 1899, fully functionable handguns, including an 1875 colt Army single action revolver and some derringers……all fire center fire modern cartridges.
The Fed considers these as Antiques and exempt from any control. Does that mean that Wifey can place the .38 derringer in her purse?
Hmmmmm……
Wollf,
In Kalifornicateya, Law suits come by the dozen and “legal” is in the eye of the beholder. Plus, the *icing* on your cake is “The 9th
CircusCircuit for appeal reviews…………….Wollf (8)
The antique firearm definitions apply to sale and transfer, not to concealed carry.
Law-enforcement officers are human beings with no more natural shooting talent than you or I. If they don’t train with their firearms regularly, they cannot be good shots. Nobody can. In action, you shoot as you practice but not as accurately. It’s hard to simulate adrenaline, fear, tunnel vision, background collateral, etc. on the range. The only way to overcome this is daily, intense training/practice as SF/HRT/SWAT do. You, I, and Joe patrolman will never be movie-quality shooters in action.
From the CNN article:
“Police say Johnson … purchased the weapon legally in 1991 in Florida, but did not have a permit to carry it in New York City.”
So, explain to me again WTF gun permits have to do with preventing gun crime.
Meanwhile, in Obama’s model city, Chicago.
^^ I’ll once again take “Nothing” for $800, Alex.
^^^But no Robbing Allowed!
……..hitting
someALL of the nine innocent bystanders who were caught in the mayhem.fixed it.
My point from comment one has been “range time for nypd”.
Still is.
Now NYPD has over 30,000 officers. Yes two divisions of combat troops!
The training station is used FULL TIME to cycle all those officers through just the normal qualifications done each year, and not much time to allow officers practice time (or free ammo for that matter.)
BUT
9xMILLIONS OF DOLLARS LAW SUITS could have been avoid (and not to mention nine people shot) if good old Mayor Bloomberg would just spend some money of training time and ammo for all those officers. 27 million (say 3mil x 9 lawsuits) would buy quite a bit of FMJ 9mm practice ammo and some range time for each officer that wants to become a better shot.
And keep in mind these 9 people are not the only bystanders shot each year in NYC.. I bet the money saved by training them better would offset the lawsuits NYC has to pay out for.
But no…. Mayor Bloomberg would rather spend the money illegally buying guns in other states to ‘prove’, like the little Dutch boy, he can stick his fingers in the dikes and stop the flood.
For you see, murders have been committed since the beginning of time and they don’t really need guns to murder. The nutjob in NYC could have simply stabbed his ex-boss.
Whether or not the officers are off the hook for their actions, the part about this whole thing that concerns me the most is the attitude taken by the NYPD in regards to the bystanders.
If it was not obvious before, it should be very clear now that the US Government and the governmental bodies (federal or state) which are underneath it’s command, consider citizens to be expendable so long as the will of the state is carried out.
Always has been that way CI. Every ‘state’ thinks of it’s own survival and the groupthink is just like Maos, Stalin, Marx, etc..
“the state is everything, the individual is nothing”.
How else can one explain ‘deathpanels’ in Obamacare. Explain why old people will be turned away from hospitals if they visit to often. Explain why there will be drug shortages. Explain why Obama said to just give them pain killers and send them home (to die.)
How else can one explain drone missile strikes on U.S. citizens in other counties.
How else can one explain the EPA trying to force energy shutdowns without the authority to do so.
That is not liberalism… that is ‘Progressivism’ and Socialism. Keep in mind the NAZI party was the ‘National Socialist”.
And Obama & Co. are socialist.
Short speech from my CCH lesson plan:
Firearms safety rules include “know your background.” That’s there to prevent collateral injury and damage, ricochet, etc.
Trouble is, in a personal-defense situation, you usually don’t get to pick your background. Like these NYPD officers, you have to fire now from where you are now, or you’re dead. You’re still morally and legally responsible for where your shots end up, so you. must. hit. your. target (then, the slugs don’t go elsewhere, and you don’t have to use as many; pluuus you may not get the time needed to fire a bunch).
That requires practice. There is no substitute for practice. (see: golf)
(What? Yep, hitting both ranges this afternoon.)
Doug to keep in mind…
USE ENOUGH CLUB! (as Robert Ruark would say.)
I like Doug’s idea. Give the nypd golf clubs!