Just what DO you say when a Lympian race baiting fuckmook calls you a RACIST!!! ?
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You say “The word has been so misapplied as to be completely meaningless. It has lost its ability to intimidate and calling me a racist will no longer give me pause. Do I have biases and prejudices? Yes I do, and I’m willing to admit that I don’t particularly care for certain types of people. Loudmouths and race baiting fuckmooks top that list. Got it?”
At least that’s how I would respond.
Ask ‘em what they mean by the term.
Then ask them what specifically you’ve done to deserve the insult.
Then ask them their name and address. Likewise, their friends.
You know, for serving papers on your slander lawsuit against them and to call witnesses.
A small, concealed video camera would be good for getting them convicted of perjury, later, too.
(What? Yeah, or you couuuld just punch ‘em in the nose.)
They will expect either anger or denial. Give them neither. Here are a few:
If you can’t respond with anything but childish name-calling, it means I won.
Yes, by your definition I am, and it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Now, would you like to have debate on the issues using facts and reason?
Laughter, then walk away.
Let them rant, knowing that Ann Coulter’s book, “Mugged” is absolutely true in that white liberals use racist accusations for political gain concerning things that are not racist.
They are trying to get a response they can run with, just like their lapdog media.
A young black woman called me a racist one time because I criticized the number of subject-verb disagreements in one of her papers in English Comp class.
I asked her to consider the term racist in light of the meaning of the ist suffix on such words as novelist, dentist, machinist, or Baptist.
After listening to the tiny little wheels spin in the lonely caverns of her brain for a moment, I left her standing there, her head cocked to one side and a thin wisp of bue smoke rising from one ear.
if it is a woman….” you have beautiful lips and a nice ass…. would you like some candy?”
if it is a man…..” you must be a sheep shagger… now fuck off and stop bothering me”……
I turn a blind cheek, I do nothing but walk away.
I do nothing because they will not listen to reason and will not hear me. They only know their own hatred. I can not reason with them.So I walk away. I only get there name and where they live….
Because someday, I may come back.
One of my old friends says the same thing to all of ‘em: “Yeah? So what!”
Idiot is not a race.
Now that I’ve actually thought about it,
perhaps the proper response is …
Oops!
Just noticed that bocopro (8) beat me to it.
Brilliant lad, that bocopro.
I’ll usually ask, “What, like Bobby Byrd? Or maybe Albert Gore Sr., who voted against the Civil Rights Act? No? Surely you can’t be comparing me to Woodrow Wilson, a leader of the original Progressive movement, who thought the movie Birth of a Nation so important that he had it shown in the White House?
I know you are but what am I?
I know you are but what am I?
I know you are but what am I?
Hasn’t happened yet.
But I will be quick to point out that I have given it some thought and while I think the term racist is incorrect, I will tell you straight up that I am a culturalist.
I despise some cultures.
And anybody accusing me of racism is probably firmly embedded in one of the cultures I despise.
I stick my thumbs in my ears wiggle my fingers and say nah nah nah nah— so arrrrea youooo!! Than stick out my tongue–at them. Than I’d holler “Momma she called me a racisit” and I’d push her down on her ass. eh eh eh!!!
I told one hippy protester who called my racist (Oak Harbor, but I’m sure he had some Lympian roots) that I was raised by a Black man I have a half-sister and lost a half-brother who are black. He said I was racist for saying black. I asked him what I should call them, He said African American. I asked So it’s not racist to Assume all black people in America are American? Left him shaking.
“Fuck you; I’ve been called worse than that by people that matter to me.”
Not reasoned discourse, I’ll grant you, but life is too short to wast part of it trying to change one of those fuckmooks minds.
I asked So it’s not racist to Assume all black people in America are American?
OR African… If you want to piss off a Hatian-American in South Florida call him an african-american.
The Miami Herald ran into the problem some years ago when an editor removed all references to black in an article involving Hatians and replaced it with african-american per the editorial style book.
They changed the style book soon after.
Watched a news story a while ago on CNN they ran a video about some hard times in South Africa that showed a lady bemoaning the hardships that had fallen upon her, after the story one of the anchors mentions the courage of this “African America lady” I only half watched the story but that last part got my full attention.
Point, laugh and walk away.
I used to be a corner worker at the Road America race track up in
south central WI. Every sports & racing car was driven by racists!
(Thanks BoCoPro) So every race was done only with obsessive,
intense, viciously competing (within the rules) roaring raaacissers!!
Also think of using ridicule, like: “Oh no, I’m not a raacisss!
If you want a real raacisss, call NASCAR! They got lots o’ them!
GWillie, several of the people on the porch are acquainted with an African-American named Kim DuToit…
Lance beat me to it.
“Of course I’m a racist! I just loves me some NASCAR!!”
Is this a useful product?
In all seriousness, they’re saying that because they are angry at Obama.
They have no excuse for the man who could not bring single payer health care, and failed to nationalize the oil industry after the gulf disaster. He let good crisis after good crisis go to waste. His true base knows that he golfed while he should have burned Rome down.
They are in true spazz mode and racist is all they can project.
They have nothing. They are empty and hollow.
Especially their craniums
“Thanks! That’s the nicest thing anyone said to me today.”
That should strip a few gears as you walk away.
Rick…I sure miss DuToit!
It happens rarely that I would be accused of racism. To borrow a phrase from Kim, “I will have no truck” with them that play the race card. I know in my heart where I am. Your race, creed, color, etc have absolutely no bearing on my treatment or opinion of you. I can back that up with my consistant actions in my life. It is one of the few debates I will walk away from. It is not debateable.
I want my phone. Where’s my phone. I get a free phone from Obama. Romney sucks.
Who’s the racist there?
Charlize Theron is an African- American.
I’ve never been called a racist, although I have been called many other things, including “an asshole”.
I’m thinking I’d just ignore the comment, unless they put their hands on me.
You could say the Lympian is a race baiting fuckmook racist.
Hog 23: Is this a useful product?
The 147gr 9mm? Not very.
Yet another bad idea cooked up by the number-wanks-with-no-field-experience over at the FBI.
The 147 has a horrible street record.
Also, the box is more white than black, so it’s no doubt racist.
Likely shoots alright at the range, though.
What? No, I don’t want to be shot with one.
I’m tryin to get my wife (who’s turnin 75) to become pistol proficient. Took her to a gun shop and let her handle some smaller stuff, like the .380 Bodyguard and a nice S & W .38 revolver.
Can’t get it thru her head that (1) the .38 revolver has a helluva time tryin to jam, but women tend to have trouble with the .380 ’cause they hold it so loose that it recoils high and back, confusing the slide and (2) if you shoot a really big redneck with a .380, you might accomplish little more than pissin him off, especially if he’s on meth.
She won’t even discuss a .44 Peacemaker model.
Homophobe = the new racist.
The last time some jerk called me a homophobe* I told him that I didn’t like heterophobes any better, and that he should see a therapist about getting that enormous chip off his uptight little shoulder.
* Which in my case is somewhat laughable. In equivalence, my “offense” was somewhat more benign than bocopro’s (5) — I think maybe the little jerk hadn’t gotten in his quota of hetro-bashing for the day, and I was the only person readily available.
bocopro 33: roger on that thing about the revolver not jamming, I like them myself. And those lightweight, hi-speed HPs don’t have as much apparent recoil as the heavier bullets even though they tend to make more of an impression when they hit.
Lot of women I know like the so-called baby Glock, although there’s still the matter of learning to hold it. Baby-G in 9 or 40 will impress most rednecks if you double tap them once or twice.
Lately, I’m experimenting with a S&W MP compact 9mm with the Crimson Trace grip. There’s a bit more trigger pull, but I think the grip might be better contoured for smaller hands. Not quite as small as a 380 though….
IoD,
Yeah, I think her biggest objection to most bigger calibres is the noise factor. She usedta watch me shoot skeet and trap, but never showed any interest in doin any shootin herself. Why the pop of a .38 bothers her more than a 12 gauge is a mystery.
As we get older, she becomes more paranoid about somebody breakin into the place, so my youngest son & I took her out one time to shoot the .44. First time he fired it (at a beer can on a fencepost by an Indiana cornfield), she walked back to the car, rolled up the window, and turned on the radio.
Problem is that she won’t take my advice on ANYthing any more. She’ll listen to whatever our youngest son (a 45-yr-old Navy CPO) tells her, but has concluded that I am entirely fulla shit.
He agrees with me, but he’s still on AcDu (retires next June) and not around to help me convince her. He could probly get her to the range, get a large-bore, really noisy bang-bang in her hand, and make her fall in love with it.
One of her friends has a nice police special, so I’m gonna have another friend of ours (retired MGYSGT) buy a box of cowboy loads for her so she can get over the noise factor. He’s got some nice mickey-mouse ears and she trusts him completely where weapons are concerned (even tho she’s never seen him with one in his hand).
“Ninja say Whaaat?”
Here’s the text from a poster I downloaded (Sorry, don’t have the link).
Racist?
I wold support:
Allen West
Condoleessa Rice &
Herman Cain
for president before
ANY WHITE LIBERAL
If you don’t support them,
then what does that make you?
(I’ll mail it to Rodge…)
Laugh.
…not enough coffee, yet.
Doug. I’ll mail it to Doug
Duh
According to a fuckmook, we are ALL racists. Kinda waters it down——
Can’t get it thru her head that (1) the .38 revolver has a helluva time tryin to jam, but women tend to have trouble with the .380 ’cause they hold it so loose that it recoils high and back, confusing the slide and (2) if you shoot a really big redneck with a .380, you might accomplish little more than pissin him off, especially if he’s on meth.
bocopro: re: the .380…
Drop one of these into her little hands and see what happens (you might want to stand back first).
Just a thought…
Fortunately for me, the gun shop owner’s wife came over to talk to us while I was ‘splainin different calibres, weights, powder loads, and so on. Ol’ redneck gal who kinda put Milady at ease and put several different models in her hand.
One of her friends has one similar to this (I think) and has agreed to take her to the range so she can shoot it. I think I got her more or less sold on the revolver versus the semi-auto.
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/SW_Kframe38+pL1.jpg
Racism:
Well I have a bit more (and slightly better documented) Indian blood in me that Elizabeth Warren* (but then who doesn’t?) So the last time I bought a car I went down to the car dealer and through some ruthless, cynical, and self-serving behavior got myself a much better deal than either the salesman or his management (all of them white men) had intended to give me.
When I came back to pick up the car the next day, the head guy in the dealership (also a white man) came out of his office, shook my hand and said something like “I just wanted to meet the man who managed to screw us this bad — it just doesn’t happen very much.”
So as I drove off, I thought: “Ugh, me scalp palefaces plenty much.”
So, being the occasional racist can turn out to be kind of fun.
* And Ward Churchill, combined.
bocopro, at risk of inadvertently dissing your better half: it is possible that you are over-informing her.
I’ve seen plenty of situations where the right approach is either to simply demonstrate the desirability of an alternative that you have already picked without treating the person you are advising as to your facts and logic, or else simply say “well this is one that ______ [fill in the name of someone the person you are advising identifies with / relates to] would pick. Tricky work when the person you are advising knows you well and is not much inclined to embracing BS, but the truth is that all of us have some areas where we just want a reasonably good answer / result and *do not* want to wallow in facts that don’t interest us anyway.
(I realize that I’m oversimplifying your situation, so I offer all this for what it’s worth, which might not be much.)
I have two other points on this:
1) Trigger pull will matter. A good trigger is *much* better than a bad one, *especially* for someone who hasn’t shot much. Hard triggers are difficult to use and are frustrating to the user.
2) The cowboy loads might be just the thing. Another thought: at one time I used 95gr +P loads in my S&W J frame. Despite a fairly high energy level (for a .38) it was remarkably pleasant to shoot, and perceived recoil was noticeably less than other, heavier bullet, loads. It was so much less that the gun shot low until something was done about the sights — the recoil was so much less that what it was supposed to be at the time the bullet exited the barrel.
(By the way, my solution to a problem not unlike yours was to begin the person with an S&W J-frame chambered for .22LR and then graduate them to a similar J later in .38. I’m about to do the same with a 14yr old boy. A nice thing about a .22 revolver is that if necessary one can start with .22 shorts and then switch to .22LR. A .22 short is barely a “pop” and no recoil at all you can notice. This lets them concentrate on handling and trigger action, with no attention to unpleasant side affects. Later, the .22 makes a nice kit gun, which is what I got if for to begin with.)
Footnote: As we all know, recoil perception is a funny thing. For example, I don’t particularly like the way .45acp 230gr standard loads feel when they shoot. It doesn’t hurt, of course, but I find it vaguely unpleasant. 9mm load with similar energy, and .40 loads with noticeably more energy are pleasant for me in guns with similar ergonomics. The odd thing is that I *like* shooting .357mag Federal 125HP loads (the hot ones) in short barreled, mid-frame revolvers. People talk about how “brutal” the load is, and I’m thinking “huh?” — This from a guy who doesn’t particularly enjoy shooting a heavier .45 with much less energy….
…some wit will probably want to say that I must like my women like my ammunition — light and fast, rather than heavy and slow. There is a chance they would be right, but I don’t see what that has to do with the subject at hand.
IoD
I know ’bout the overexplaining. In fact, one of her oldest nicknames for me is makulit, a Filipino word for someone who does that. That’s why I was glad that the ol’ redneck gal took over and put several pieces in her hand, showed her the different cartridges side by side for comparison, and all that.
And as for recoil, an old high-school friend of mine (retired as a city cop) had a .38 with a 5″ barrel which we liked to use for plinkin unshelled hickory nuts on fence rails and such. At 10 paces, I could hit ‘em 5 out of 6 times, but give me a standard military .45 and I’m lucky to hit the goddam paper at 25′ — recoil anticipation syndrome. Long story I won’t bore you with.
Used to go 100 straight regularly in skeet with the 12 gauge and occasionally with the 20 (never happened even once with the 28 or .410, even in practice). Shot many squirrels out of trees with .22 long rifles, too, but my cop friend had a .308 I couldn’t hit a tractor with. First time I fired it, the eject hit my right hand and bounced up into my shirt collar. Always flinched with it after that. No kick to speak of, just all in my head.
Another reason I’m pushin for the revolver is that my wife is not very big, so anything really light (like the Bodyguard) might jump around in her hand, and anything too heavy might feel uncomfortable. Trigger pull is an issue, but I got little control over that . . . gotta let her fire what’s available, and I can’t be there when she does it — hasta be the Gunny and/or one of her female friends with an instructor, not me.
Guess it’s like a husband teachin his wife to drive; BIG hassle sometimes, whereas the cousin or a complete stranger or grandparent might do just fine.
Don’t forget stack order: I keep 2 rounds of jacketed ball up top, as a (sort of) non-lethal warning. If you don’t take the hint of having holes poked in you, the next 5 rounds are hollow points.
I never forgot the story an old Gyrene Gunnery/Sgt once told me when I was the operations officer of the 7th Marines in Camp Pendleton (…as a Gyrene fighter pilot?…) He said he improved rifle scores for those bothered by the *kick* of their rifles and pistols. Gunny declared it to be a *head problem*. Mostly city boys…. So, he arranged for them to launch a few rounds from a 106 mm recoiless rifle. Hell of a back blast and lethal against Soviet tanks, prior to the T72 in the 80`s.
Gunny claimed it got their heads “right” for the M14 rifle and the .45 caliber M1911…………..
^ 48: By that method Mrs. bocopro shud be started with a .454 Casull and then worked back to a good choice. In this case I’ve got doubts that’s gonna go well.
…some wit will probably want to say that I must like my women like my ammunition —
I like my women like I like my coffee… pale… and bitter
^ if you just give them a house and car up front, they will leave without taking the trouble to have sex with you….
^^ I like my women … pale
Racist!
Miss Queen Sondra did you learn anything from all of the above suggestions?
What kind of country is this, where I can only disagree with someone if they’re white? GFY!
^^^ Good one ^^^
I’m rubber, you’re glue …
No, wait … I’m rubber, you’re a tar baby!
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bocopro, if she likes the Smith J-frame, but the trigger pull is a bit much, it can be tuned downward to a lighter double- and single-action pull.
And yeah, start her off with target loads for whatever caliber / weapon she decides on.
Fuck you?
“Is that all you’ve got? That’s your entire argument?”
bocopro (36)
Personally, I recommend a shotgun for home defense [ref: previous tomes on effectiveness, safety, ease of use, deterrent value, cost, etc.].
The handgun is for concealed carry outside the home or used to reach your long gun or safe room.
Think about sticking with the shotgun.
Even a 20-ga works fine. Lighter weight & recoil. Same everything else, but fewer pellets.
Oh, and Leelu, Karl, and Peggy are on a roll.
I might just have to steal those ideas, someday.
For leelu:
Okay, one more:
No, two … two more.
One for Karl:
Is DougM (62, 63), bein’ a, yanno, racist racist??
Up to the 64 count!!!
Bocopro: An airweight .38 special revolver is an expert’s gun … recoil is tough for a beginner.
I suggest a Taurus 66, or whatever the current S&W code is for their old model 66.
Hog: The Walther PPk is very unreliable with US standard .380 ACP loads, which are understrength for older pistols. Unless you can get 9mm Kurtz euro hot loads, stay away. Get a Makarov instead.
bocopros own ain`t gonna kill anybody at this stage in their lives, if they ain`t already killed somebody(s)….. The principal lethalness of former combat-weenies…………..
DougM (61), I’d like to comment ’bout your comment ’bout shotgunz for
home defense! Yes, I fully agree with you, but a coupla additional considerations
popped inna mah haid! The firstest was, ‘maneuverablilty’! A long shotgun
could be difficult to swing around & aim in tight quarters plus move to
different parts of bedroom, bath, stairs, etc. areas! Possibly a pistol grip
in place of the stock & a short barrel could mitigate this limitation!
I totally agree that a shotgun with (?-size) shot, is best for in-home or
enclosed space for the wall penetration factor plus greater radius of ‘impact’!
Plus the visual impact of seeing a large shotgun blast on the wall instead of a
little itty-bitty .38 cal hole!
Next thought was a revolver I saw recently that would also chamber .410-ga
shot shells! Here’s linky & don’t be leanin’ over your keyboard! I wantz, too!
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Taurus-Judge/DSC00272.jpg
Haven’t held or fired it, so don’t know the reallies ’bout it! Called ‘da Judge’!
However, it might solve 2 of BoCoPro’s needs or requirements. His wife
seems to be getting warm to pistols & shot shells are better indoors! Plus
‘da Judge’ looks like she might be able to handle it & even like it after a while!
With alla da technical ‘discussin’ us guyz are doing & can’t not do ’bout gunz,
BoCoPro alluded to the most important part of this whole ‘personal & fambly
protection/survival project. Getting the gun shop owner’s wife involved is
prolly the biggest factor, IMHO, for the success of this project! Also the
other wimminz that wants to take his wife to the range! FWIW.
^^ I have both the Remington 870 Tactical, PG, first one out is Bean Bag, Second is Rubber, then seven more which will require major House remodeling.
I have teen age boys, and although I am always target aware, it gives me a warmer feeling.
Secondly…. imho, the Judge is more of a novelty. I own one and the first thing I had to do was change the grips it came with. Damn things are so little for my hands, the gun wants to fly backward over your head and out of your hands.
SRSLY on that last.
Well, Colonel . . . I awoke around midnight-thirty one starry nite when we were in our mid 20s with her sitting on the edge of the bed holding an unusually large knife. Brief questioning elicited the response that she was contemplating cutting my throat. (yeah, it was somethin I’d done)
And THAT brought to mind an episode just after we’d set up housekeeping together in which I heard a noise outside our second-floor window and looked out to see her with another girl up against a wall. She’d twisted the girl’s blouse and bra up under her chin and was holding a butterfly knife against the area one tends to find carotids and jugulars and such plumbing.
One morning I came in from the midwatch and managed to say the wrong thing to her as she was waking up from having slept on the couch overnite (one of the kids had been sick the nite before), a saucer and a fork on the coffee table next to her. She rose, cocked her head to one side, launched a withering small-eye stare at me simultaneously with the fork, which lodged beside my tib/fib and caused a dark rivulet to spread down my wash khakis.
She’s capable of mayhem. She sleeps with an aluminum ball bat next to her bed these days and a sharp, sturdy, pointed kitchen knife between the mattress and spring box.
Concerning shotguns, she has no fear of ‘em . . . just prefers something she can get into position quickly, with one hand if necessary, and requires nothing more complicated than a trigger pull.
Except when we lived in military housing, I’ve always had shotguns and pistols around the place, and I can’t remember not having a .22 bolt-action rifle, even in base housing (Stateside).
For all: I do appreciate the feedback and advice. I’ll know more when her friend takes her to the range with her .38. And I have a 12 gauge, a .30 cal bolt action, a .22 bolt action single shot, a .22 revolver (9-shot), and a .44 on a Peacemaker frame with ammo for all but the .30 cal. She doesn’t like the .22 and DISlikes the .44, which is why we’re headed for a bore somewhere between ‘em. A .357 would be o.k., since it’s basically the same as a .38 anyway . . . my issue is over the weight, the jamming, and the simplicity features of the semis compared to the revolvers.
Some questions a leftie may want to ask him/herself if they happen to stumble upon this thread:
Well, I haven’t seen anyone mention the potato cannon yet. I have one around here somewhere. Made it myself. Parts and labor: about $30. Loud as Hell! AND it makes fries!
Hundreds of Julienne fries!
Gwillie that’s why I asked the Queen if she learned anything. Now it’s up to 72 — close to a recored ya know?
How exactly did a conversation on what to do when called a racist turn into a discussion on guns? Is there a correlation? Could one assume it may not be wise to bandy about that charge with this crowd?
Gwillie: I did that, and I knew exactly what I was doing and where it would lead before I did it (see #23).
I’m kinda fun around the campfire on huntin’ trips, too.
Lance (68)
Yes to all.
Only thing I’d suggest is a folding stock. Gives you the option. While living aboard a boat, I had a Mossberg500 (cheap, reliable) with an 18-1/2″ bbl (legal) with a stock that folded over the top (good carrying handle and stowed flatter than a side-folder), configured that way for maneuverability in close quarters. I’ve since gone to a 20″ bbl because the magazine holds two more rounds for only an inch or so extra length.
Ammo? You can buy “personal defense” shotgun ammo that’s less powerful. Instead, I go with the first two rounds of birdshot (#5,6,7-1/2 are cheap and commonly available) to minimize wall penetration energy. That ought’a get the bad guys thinkin’ “run!” while keepin’ your paperwork to a minimum. The follow-on rounds should be no-sh*t lethal (#1,#0 with #00buck cheap and available), ’cause you’re now fighting for your life. Those are almost as big in diameter as a 9mm/.38/.357 bullet, not as energetic, but there’s a sh*tpot more of ‘em.
If a person isn’t gonna practice regularly with their handgun, then they should think seriously about a shotgun. It’s a lot easier to hit what you need to hit, and they’re safer, to my mind. A shotgun is also difficult for a perp to miss seein’, and that big ol’ hole in the business end is impossible to ignore. I also think a woman holding a shotgun is a lot more credible than a woman holding a small, wobbly handgun.
Then there’s that unmistakable sound of cycling a pump action.
It speaks volumes all by itself.
^^ my only disagreement with that is the order and type of shotgun shells, but, you don’t have boys that show up at unexpected times and unexpected Ingress.
Target Acquisition is tantamount, but things unfortunately happen.
Read about that Father that just killed his own Son? Not this Guy…….
66: Unless you can get 9mm Kurtz euro hot loads, stay away. Get a Makarov instead.
1) As I understand it, most PPK triggers suck. I’d wonder about it feeding expanding bullet ammo too. It has nostalgia, but isn’t a modern choice.
2) For the .380, check out Cor-Bon if you can afford it. Got some umph.
3) I’ve got mixed feeling about Makarov, but if you want to go that way (I bet the trigger on those babies sucks too) and can afford it, the Cor-Bon Pow’RBall ammo might be something to think about.
4) Personally for ultra compact work, I’d go with a modern arm, especially a really compact 9mm. (Maybe using 90gr HPs, if appropriate.)
But all this is general. The original discussion (aside from reverse racism) had to to with Mrs. Bocopro who is adverse to both recoil and muzzle blast. I my mind, that kind of limits the scope of choices, and leads one away from anything that has the word “shotgun” anywhere in it’s name or description.
Umm… by the way Bocopro I seem to recall that some premium self defense ammo is advertised as being designed for short barrels, and it is claimed that some of these loads reduce muzzle blast and muzzle flip. I think maybe Hornaday has something like that. It might be that the right choice in load could simultaneously make things both more pleasant and more effective.
With regard to home defense, I certainly favor a shotgun as part of the equipment, but not as the only thing. There are just too many times when you might be willing and able to have a handgun handy, but the shotgun is likely going to stay in it’s assigned spot. E.g.: let’s say the door bell rings late at night — are you really going to go to the door every time with that shotgun? And can you handle it effectively in really close quarters? (I’m not talking about you Doug, I mean persons of average means and abilities.) The snubbie handgun goes right in your robe pocket (along with your hand).
Bocopro 70: She doesn’t like the .22… maybe it’s the ergonomics of that particular .22?
By the way, I’ve done some reading recently from a reliable source that says the .30 M1 carbine with 110gr HPs is much more effective in close combat that I would have expected. (Heard a lot of not good stories from WWII Pacific vets about the ineffectiveness of the FMJ rounds on not-paritcularly-large people; so, the operative concept here is HP.) I’d think those little carbines are obsolete, but you know, they are shorter and lighter than most shotguns, and should handle better in tight spots.
I’m not suggesting it for Bocopro because I think there’s some limitations with the situation there, but it occurs to me that it adds an option for those considering general home defense hardware.
You could call them a Nazi, and start a whole new wonderful thread.
“I asked So it’s not racist to Assume all black people in America are American?”
Some time ago, a student here in the US, who was born in South Africa, tried to say he was an African American (which, of course, was true). He was harassed mightily.
bocopro (#70): I would seriously consider having either you or her change locations – preferably by a considerable distance.
I have re-read 70 more carefully. Whyinhell does either of you think she needs a gun?
Now THAT is a LOLcat!
IoD –
Milady’s attitude toward my li’l .22 prob’ly is the way it fits in her hand. It’s an Hombre, modeled after the old cowboy style revolvers, and she just doesn’t like the feel of it, especially after having felt some of the more modern, softer, non-slip ergonomic grips.
With somethin more comfy in her hand, I’m sure the .22 would be a good piece for her, but it just doesn’t have the punch, even the L/R, unless you go with the bigger cartridges, and even then it’s more of a small-hole, in-and-out round that doesn’t knock the guy down. Yeah, I know . . . a well-placed L/R can bring down a big animal, but a buncha flesh wounds in non-critical areas would more likely just aggravate him.
My .44 is just too damned big, too heavy, and too noisy for her tastes. My plan is to get her some cowboy loads for her friend’s .38 and see how she reacts to the trigger pull, and if she’s o.k. with it, we’ll go with a .38, or maybe the S&W 940 9mm Revolver.
A lot can be said, tho, about a nice short-barreled 20 gauge and duck shot for making a point in close quarters.
IoD — 80
Well, she’s 74 years old, and despite her beliefs to the contrary, she ain’t Wonder Woman no more. Viscerally she still considers herself a tough little street-wise rich-girl Pinay, but intellectually she realizes that her strength, stamina, and reaction time are not what they were 40 years ago.
Over the past coupla decades, she’s grown more and more fearful of the thugs and gangs which seem to grow in number every year, especially when the economy turns sour. And our retired Gunny friend who works as a security guard is no help when he tells her stories of break-ins and rapes and robberies he knows about because of his connections with local LEOs.
Just like a man who looks in the mirror one day and can’t recognize the balding, sagging, half-blind 65-yr-old looking back at him and senses perhaps that even if he IS still Superman, a lotta assholes have Kryptonite in their pockets, I think she’s begun to reconcile herself to her own mortality.
Besides, if she wants her own piece, why not? I have some, my kids have some, and if it’ll bring her peace and sleep at nite, sounds like a good deal to me.
OMG # 81 :))) I haven’t seen those for a while–Funny!!!