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  1. So how come we can get permits in most states to carry firearms, but not billy clubs or saps? (Felony in CA if I recall correctly. Even concealed knives are restricted here.)
    I suppose the short answer is that it’s because there isn’t a National Billy Club [knife, sap, what have you] Association.
    But “arms” really means “weapons”, and we should be able to possess and carry at a minimun anything the police carry, and technically anything the National Guard carries.

    Comment by Another Bob — January 31, 2012 @ 6:37 pm

  2. kinda confuzed about AZ – we are a shall issue state, but do not require a permit to carry concealed as of Fall 2010 so doesn’t that really make us unrestricted?

    Comment by katzemeow — January 31, 2012 @ 7:09 pm

  3. nevermind – I missed the 2011 frame I guess……

    Comment by katzemeow — January 31, 2012 @ 7:11 pm

  4. Green baby. Green.

    I’m a Texican and while the CHL is ok, I want Green. Vermont Green.

    Comment by Paul — January 31, 2012 @ 8:13 pm

  5. I envy the rest of you. I live in the People’s Soviet of Illinois. We don’t register guns, we register gun owners, or at least people who want to buy ammunition…….

    Comment by Annoying Mike — January 31, 2012 @ 9:08 pm

  6. Another Bob technically anything the National Guard carries Bingo!!
    Thinking back, in 1776, the army and militia’s “assault weapon” and many citizens’ “hunting gun” was the same muzzle loading musket, and there was no distinction made.
    The militia was any able bodied man age 16-45 and still is more or less, by US Code.
    We able bodied citizens should be like the Swiss, where every man has the same full auto weapon and ammo in the house as whatever is current issue for the country’s infantrymen.

    Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — January 31, 2012 @ 9:33 pm

  7. Dick, I’ve come to believe the Second Amendment was to enable citizens to protect themselves from the militia, not make us all militia men. In modern English, it would be written:
    “Since there’s going to be a well armed militia, the people need to be armed [to keep the militia in check].”
    But either reading of the amendment will suffice.

    Comment by Another Bob — January 31, 2012 @ 9:56 pm

  8. Here’s a link to one of the articles that influenced my thinking

    What does the Second Amendment really mean?

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

    (We are a new, free country. It is necessary to have a trained, weapon equipped, standing army to help keep us free. And because we will have a standing army),

    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    (if the army gets guns, so do the people, in case the army ever gets out of line.)

    Cause: The government-controlled army has guns. Effect: The people, via constitutional amendment, demand, and are guaranteed, the right to weapons as well.

    Comment by Another Bob — January 31, 2012 @ 10:04 pm

  9. ABob (1), Dick (6)
    The operative word, here, is “concealed;” and that applies to civilian self-defense, not military/militia/police ops (that’s a separate issue, within NC law anyway).
    In NC, only handguns (among the list of dangerous/deadly weapons) may be carried concealed, with a permit, with restrictions, etc.
    A long knife, sawed-off shotgun, cosh/sap/club, etc. are considered criminals’ weapons of attack, I guess. Sure, there may be cases where they might be useful for defense, but a handgun reaches out to the 21′ magic number (danger close), it’s generally more effective for most citizens, it’s easier to codify, and the NRA makes campaign contributions.

    Don’t automatically think of cop&soldier weapons, ammo, gear, tactics, etc. as civilian-personal-defense applicable.
    Your goal is to survive, they risk their lives.
    Your job is to escape, their job is to go into harm’s way and deal with it.
    They can’t leave, you can.
    They can’t let bad guys escape, you can.

    Besides, when you’ve used up all your ammo …
    *tadaa* now you’ve got your club.

    Comment by DougM (jackassophobe) — January 31, 2012 @ 11:44 pm

  10. I look forward to when I can open carry without a license – kinda like not having my right bear arms being infringed. As in several SW states – but not in my home state of Texas, where the former governor made it illegal to sell horses for meat.

    Comment by Manfred — February 1, 2012 @ 6:54 am

  11. any able bodied man Hey! I’m pretty able-bodied…

    Comment by Claire: barbarian, etc — February 1, 2012 @ 8:34 am

  12. ^ and armed too, I bet.

    Comment by Ironic in Denver — February 1, 2012 @ 8:47 am

  13. One of the advantages of being a retired cop is a life of carrying concealed.

    Comment by Alan outback bacon czar — February 1, 2012 @ 10:23 am

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