Europe is so effed up that at this point I’d be happy to see any non-commie/progressive party come to power in any country. Just to watch what happens.
They’re already circling the drain. Best case is they start circling the other way.
I am in favor of open borders BUT what I mean by that is that any worker should be able to enter a country after a security check BUT open borders are impossible as long as you have a welfare state. End the welfare state and let the assets represented by these workers in.
Occasionally even the hardest of workers will need help and then they should go all Blanche DuBois and depend on the kindness of strangers and their churches.
LLoyd (7): laughing pretty hard here. Good thing I wasn’t drinking anything.
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 2, 2012 @ 10:09 pm
America isn’t Europe, thank God; but, unless we radically alter course, looking at Greece (and some other parts of Europe) now is like gazing at the USA in less than two decades.
Greece has been a completely irresponsible nation for a long as I can remember… probably at least back to the 1960s. If you were a terrorist and wanted to get on a plane or ocean liner, what did you do? Head for Greece. Want to illegally enter Europe? Head for Greece. Want to be paid to do nothing out of public debt? Greece, the place to be. And on and on. Basically, they deserve what’s happing to them. And the truth is, it’s not the politicians who did this to them; the pols are just reflecting the attitudes of the people who put them in power.
Most of the rest of Europe’s not far behind. (And about 45% of our citizens are the same.)
Very few people over there ever ask themselves whether the ideas they hang on to could possible be the source of the mess they are in.
Too bad it affects other people too.
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 2, 2012 @ 10:22 pm
OBTW:
I doubt very much that it resembles a swastika….
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 2, 2012 @ 10:22 pm
This sounds pretty much like Germany in the mid 1930′s. Hitler and his party started out as champions of the people also.
And their symbol is pretty much half a swastika in black on a red background.
By the way, here’s what your erstwhile journo was comparing to a “swastika”:
It’s not entirely without merit in this instance, but that’s only one of many patterns of meander. So, more useful as rhetorical bullshit than any actual historical comparison.
Editorial comment: In your long comment, bracketed by 2 short comments—–Replace “Greece” with “California”. So doing, loses nothing relative to accuracy, plus it increases comprehension for Porch Peeps who don`t have a fucking clue where or what Greece is!!!!
Then, go smooth copy & publish. (…otherwise; cosmic! Keep it up & the Bigs see your place at the table moving right next to the donut tray… =8^O
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — May 3, 2012 @ 7:12 am
ColJ (15): why thank you, sir. And you’re right about CA, of course. Wonder if I could work in something about “sanctuary cities” without spoiling the pith.
Okay, then, for clarification:
“Grease” is the substance inspired by “Greece” which is used in skillets when cooking dog. It also refers to financial accommodations which grease the wheels of politics.
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 3, 2012 @ 12:20 pm
Claire (21): Greece and Italy are both cautionary tales about letting one’s culture decline. Thanks for the flag post by the way. It’s good, though chilling, to see what’s being talked about. Sieg Heil!
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 3, 2012 @ 12:25 pm
Don’t forget the Greek yogurt. They(mouse) swagger while they chase and hit each other with big sticks. BHO has a big stick.
Hmm. An article in a South African paper about a far-right Greek political party? Honestly, I don’t know what to make of this. Looks to me like this Golden Dawn party is completely harmless and that the headline stating that it “worries” the Greek mainstream is complete B.S. Sounds like a pathetic attempt to scare voters away from the Independent Greeks party.
The swastika resemblance is not just in passing. You’ll notice from the link that all meanders are oriented horizontal/vertical. Here are some Nazi flags in the Old Days.
They’re tilted 45 degrees – just like the meander in the photo.
One more thing:
“Reeling from a vicious financial crisis that has cost them pensions and jobs, …”
Anyone remember Germany after WW I? When the Reichsmark was so devalued that it just about equalled today’s Zimbabwean currency? when a loaf of bread cost a million Marks – and there were lots of million-Mark notes to pay for things with. Here‘s a 500 Million Mark note.
“The hyperinflation peaked in October 1923 and banknote denominations rose to 100 billion (10^14)-Mark.”
More about Golden Dawn (from Wikipedia):
“According to the Party’s charter, “only Aryans in blood and Greeks in descent can be candidate members of Golden Dawn”. The charter also puts the leader in total control of the party, and formalizes the use of the Hitlergruss for party members.
This
isisn’t Sparta!Comment by mech — May 2, 2012 @ 6:58 pm
Mr.Hilter and the boncentration bamps!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg
Comment by TimO — May 2, 2012 @ 7:42 pm
Europe is so effed up that at this point I’d be happy to see any non-commie/progressive party come to power in any country. Just to watch what happens.
They’re already circling the drain. Best case is they start circling the other way.
Comment by Fat Baxter — May 2, 2012 @ 7:49 pm
AAAnarchy. Why not take aaaanarchy?
Caaaan’t you see I’m so mad abouuuuut you?
They always have to be black clad don’t they?
Comment by Paladin — May 2, 2012 @ 9:03 pm
Don’t know much about them, but this whole article made me think of Quinn Dexter’s occult in The Night’s Dawn trilogy by Peter F. Hamilton.
Comment by Caged Insanity — May 2, 2012 @ 9:18 pm
I am in favor of open borders BUT what I mean by that is that any worker should be able to enter a country after a security check BUT open borders are impossible as long as you have a welfare state. End the welfare state and let the assets represented by these workers in.
Occasionally even the hardest of workers will need help and then they should go all Blanche DuBois and depend on the kindness of strangers and their churches.
Comment by Freddie Sykes — May 2, 2012 @ 9:25 pm
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…Oh, Golden Dawn! Ooops.
Comment by LLoyd — May 2, 2012 @ 9:31 pm
LLoyd (7): laughing pretty hard here. Good thing I wasn’t drinking anything.
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 2, 2012 @ 10:09 pm
America isn’t Europe, thank God; but, unless we radically alter course, looking at Greece (and some other parts of Europe) now is like gazing at the USA in less than two decades.
Greece has been a completely irresponsible nation for a long as I can remember… probably at least back to the 1960s. If you were a terrorist and wanted to get on a plane or ocean liner, what did you do? Head for Greece. Want to illegally enter Europe? Head for Greece. Want to be paid to do nothing out of public debt? Greece, the place to be. And on and on. Basically, they deserve what’s happing to them. And the truth is, it’s not the politicians who did this to them; the pols are just reflecting the attitudes of the people who put them in power.
Most of the rest of Europe’s not far behind. (And about 45% of our citizens are the same.)
Very few people over there ever ask themselves whether the ideas they hang on to could possible be the source of the mess they are in.
Too bad it affects other people too.
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 2, 2012 @ 10:22 pm
OBTW:
I doubt very much that it resembles a swastika….
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 2, 2012 @ 10:22 pm
This sounds pretty much like Germany in the mid 1930′s. Hitler and his party started out as champions of the people also.
And their symbol is pretty much half a swastika in black on a red background.
Comment by joe — May 3, 2012 @ 4:06 am
By the way, here’s what your erstwhile journo was comparing to a “swastika”:
It’s not entirely without merit in this instance, but that’s only one of many patterns of meander. So, more useful as rhetorical bullshit than any actual historical comparison.
Comment by apotheosis — May 3, 2012 @ 5:07 am
If The One gets re-elected—–this is what we’ll have to (look)Forward to.
Comment by geezerette — May 3, 2012 @ 6:01 am
The sons-a-bitches took Rocky & Bullwinkle offa the Netflix.
This will not stand!
Comment by Hog Whitman — May 3, 2012 @ 6:45 am
Ironic in Denver,
Editorial comment: In your long comment, bracketed by 2 short comments—–Replace “Greece” with “California”. So doing, loses nothing relative to accuracy, plus it increases comprehension for Porch Peeps who don`t have a fucking clue where or what Greece is!!!!
Then, go smooth copy & publish. (…otherwise; cosmic! Keep it up & the Bigs see your place at the table moving right next to the donut tray… =8^O
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — May 3, 2012 @ 7:12 am
Gee, a crack in the “monolithic” EU?
Hold me, Martha!
Comment by mojo — May 3, 2012 @ 7:14 am
Golden Dawn or Red Dawn?
Europe’s battles for the last century have been between commies and fascists.
You know, they’re arguing over the color of the drapes.
Comment by DougM (jackassophobe) — May 3, 2012 @ 7:32 am
Moose has no use! Squirrel must die!
Comment by Hog Whitman — May 3, 2012 @ 7:36 am
Skwirrel?
Boris has translations prolbemz sometimes.
Comment by Hog Whitman — May 3, 2012 @ 7:42 am
Where’s a Mussolini when ya need one? Oh, Nikolas Mihaloliakos?
At least the trains will run on time.
Comment by Wollf — May 3, 2012 @ 8:06 am
‘Course that description came from an Italian, and these feeelings last for a while…
—–
This is the Golden Dawn Flag
Comment by Claire: pink pig barbarian, etc — May 3, 2012 @ 9:32 am
Yup. Europeans just keep jumping into the socialism flame.
Either cradle to grave Swedish crap, or Fascism.
It’s one flavor or another of putting the government in charge of everything.
Comment by Kristophr — May 3, 2012 @ 11:30 am
ColJ (15): why thank you, sir. And you’re right about CA, of course. Wonder if I could work in something about “sanctuary cities” without spoiling the pith.
Okay, then, for clarification:
“Grease” is the substance inspired by “Greece” which is used in skillets when cooking dog. It also refers to financial accommodations which grease the wheels of politics.
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 3, 2012 @ 12:20 pm
Claire (21): Greece and Italy are both cautionary tales about letting one’s culture decline. Thanks for the flag post by the way. It’s good, though chilling, to see what’s being talked about. Sieg Heil!
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 3, 2012 @ 12:25 pm
Don’t forget the Greek yogurt. They(mouse) swagger while they chase and hit each other with big sticks. BHO has a big stick.
Comment by geezerette — May 3, 2012 @ 12:32 pm
Hmm. An article in a South African paper about a far-right Greek political party? Honestly, I don’t know what to make of this. Looks to me like this Golden Dawn party is completely harmless and that the headline stating that it “worries” the Greek mainstream is complete B.S. Sounds like a pathetic attempt to scare voters away from the Independent Greeks party.
Comment by snap-e-tom — May 3, 2012 @ 12:34 pm
Yog-Sototh is the way and the keeper of the way…
Comment by mojo — May 3, 2012 @ 1:18 pm
Europe doesn’t have “right-left.”
It has Loud, Angry Socialists and Passive-Aggressive Whining Socialists.
Comment by Merovign — May 3, 2012 @ 1:52 pm
Wollf, is that their bio fuel program–to make the trains run on thyme?
Comment by mech — May 3, 2012 @ 3:30 pm
Wait …
they still use trains ?
Comment by DougM (jackassophobe) — May 3, 2012 @ 3:41 pm
Thyme… Bio-fuel…. Damn, that was a Good one!
Comment by Wollf — May 3, 2012 @ 5:22 pm
I dwell where the trains don’t go, but the internets do, and even they are rarely on thyme… along with all that parsley, sage, rosemary, and stuff.
Comment by Hog Whitman — May 3, 2012 @ 6:37 pm
About that “Meander” thing. True, it’s an ancient Greek pattern, but made to repeat over and over and form a border.
Here‘s more than you need to know about meanders.
The swastika resemblance is not just in passing. You’ll notice from the link that all meanders are oriented horizontal/vertical. Here are some Nazi flags in the Old Days.
They’re tilted 45 degrees – just like the meander in the photo.
One more thing:
“Reeling from a vicious financial crisis that has cost them pensions and jobs, …”
Anyone remember Germany after WW I? When the Reichsmark was so devalued that it just about equalled today’s Zimbabwean currency? when a loaf of bread cost a million Marks – and there were lots of million-Mark notes to pay for things with. Here‘s a 500 Million Mark note.
“The hyperinflation peaked in October 1923 and banknote denominations rose to 100 billion (10^14)-Mark.”
More about Golden Dawn (from Wikipedia):
“According to the Party’s charter, “only Aryans in blood and Greeks in descent can be candidate members of Golden Dawn”. The charter also puts the leader in total control of the party, and formalizes the use of the Hitlergruss for party members.
Comment by ZZMike — May 3, 2012 @ 7:42 pm