Al-Zarqawi explains democracy (he actually seems to understand it better than most people). The only problem is,
“he considers every one of these principles to be evil and perverted, heresy and error.”
“Second: Democracy is based on the principle of freedom of religion and belief.
… a man can believe anything he wants and choose any religion he wants and convert to any religion whenever he wants, even if this apostasy means abandoning the religion of Allah… This is a matter which is patently perverse and false and contradicts many specific [Muslim] legal texts, since according to Islam, if a Muslim apostatizes from Islam to heresy, he should be killed, as stated in the Hadith reported by Al-Bukhari and others: ‘Whoever changes his religion, kill him.’ It does not say ‘leave him alone.’
According to Allah’s religion, he has only one choice: ‘Repent or be killed.’ ”
Al-Zarqawi was blown to bits in an air raid in 2006.
Uh . . . from what I’ve read and observed about Muslim cultures, especially the Arab and Middle Eastern ones, my reaction to all the snippets you’ve provided here is D-u-u-u-h-h-h-h!
Way back in the 70s, I was the Director of the electronics “A” School in GLakes, Ill. The CO tasked me with ginning up a set of indoctrination lectures for graduating students (mostly averaging about 19 yrs old) whose orders would put them in contact with cultures markedly different from ours.
At that point, we had Kuwaiti, Turkish, Saudi, and other foreign students in our basic electronics classes, mostly integrated with our own kids. So I interviewed their liaison officer for some insights (’cause at the time my opinion of their habits, cultures, and beliefs was pretty low).
At first he disdained even speaking with me, since he outranked me, but apparently he got orders from his embassy or something, so he stooped to educate and edify my ignorant infidel ass. VERY condescending.
Without actually saying so, he told me that within a few decades, a coalition of Islamic states would outproduce the American and European cultures in terms of math, science, research, invention, and just about anything that matters . . . that the US culture is jaded and corrupt and doomed to implode because of its preoccupation with sex and race.
I got the distinct impression that he was typical of Muslim males’ convictions that Westerners, particularly Americans, are low-class mongrels who are completely under the control of non-semitic Zionist troublemakers and that only Islam could save humanity from itself . . . rather like Sterling Hayden’s character in Dr. Strangelove . . . through purity of thought and essence and religious belief.
Sheeesh! After a couple beers for lunch to clear my mental palate, I talked to a Saudi E-8 for about an hour. Came away from that with the understanding that everyone who is not Arabic and does not follow the Qur’an deserves to be slaughtered, and the sooner the better, but in the meantime their sailors needed the training in basic electronics that was not available in their own territory. Surprisingly, many of the Saudi sailors were extremely interested in trying to get into local high schools because the diploma they’d earn would guarantee them political and economic power in their military. Otherwise they considered Americans on approximately the same level as dogs and horses . . . nice to have around for certain jobs, but not deserving to live in the same world as they do.
The Kuwaitis said they were too busy to talk to me (very few of them were there, and almost all of them were “officers” who were more interested in shopping at Carson, Pirie, Scott and similar stores than trying to learn “basic” anything), and the Turks said that the only their consulate or their embassy could address the issues I expressed interest in and that their enlisted personnel were under strict direction to avoid any fraternization with their American counterparts except as necessary for understanding material being taught in the classes to which they were assigned.
As I’ve said many times before in many places, Israeli culture made the desert bloom; Islamic culture made the desert bleed. Perhaps when Islam undergoes its long-overdue reformation, I’ll be willing to converse and cooperate with them. Until that time, my wish for them is a very long walk on a very short pier . . . and they can take the Kenyan with them.
The Arab mind-set – at least among the princes (who seem to number about 80% of the population) seems to be that manual labor – and learning anything other than the Koran – is beneath their dignity (because having read the Koran, they know everything). Their proper role is to tell other people what to do and how to do it.
The tradition of inbreeding among Muslims also does not add to their chances of success in our high tech knowledge societies, which have high expectations of people’s emotional control and ability to learn and handle large amounts of information. 45 percent of all Arabs, 70 percent of Pakistanis and 40 percent of Turks are inbred.
I seem to remember a movie about this. A family breaks down in the desert whose only inhabitants are a bunch of hostile inbreds.
Yeah well the Japs and Krauts feel the same way. Or rather, they used to. And a nother thing I can`t ignore. A cursory inventory of all the military hardware in Islam nations reveals that, with the exception of homemade bombs, daggers and scimitars, it all comes from non-islamic countries.
How come honor is a BFD, but no muzzie ever mentions dishonorable short fucking memories? Like leaving the fate of your fellow Islam-weenies totally in our hands during the Bosnia/Sarajevo flap, huh?
Finally, in the pride department I can eat with both hands while you got shit on your left hand and I got Charmin………..
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — May 4, 2012 @ 2:42 pm
“there is no way for these two cultures to live peacefully side-by-side. ”
Au contraire. The patterns of thought here ascribed to Moslem men are very similar to the patterns of thought I have observed all my career among the American men charged with various acts of violence against women in their lives.
Perhaps Moslem culture is either a more effective nursery of weak, control jackass, narcissistic losers than ours. Or it just lets them be more overt and holistic with it.
Whichever, plenty of tenth generation, blue eyed “Moslem men” walk among us.
Read your post Claire, and once again I hear this voice from 111 years ago:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
Nothing has changed, except they have acquired cell phones, explosives and automatic weapons from the ‘infidels’, made possible only through the infidel finding oil under their previously worthless lands, and not through any work, creativity, or organization on their own part.
Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — May 4, 2012 @ 7:37 pm
That voice from 111 years ago. Young Winston Churchill, as recorded in the book, “River Wars”.
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — May 5, 2012 @ 8:46 am
staghounds: “… American men charged with various acts of violence against women in their lives.”
Ah, yes, the wife-beaters. The practice has even started a line of men’s fashion (a T-shirt: “in rural American vernaculars, it has the particular meaning of a t-shirt which has had the sleeves cut off, often roughly, as if with garden shears.”)
The bottom line, though, is that a man who hits a woman is a coward (as always, there are exceptions).
This is why I’ve laughed for decades at the people who claim “people are the same all over”.
Back in the 90′s I did business news on radio and interviewed a guy who wrote a book on things bussinesspeople needed to be aware of when dealing with other cultures. Very much this same stuff and yet the MSM keeps acting like it doesn’t exist.
I had an experience that mirrors bocopro’s. In the mid 90′s I had a neighbor who was from Kuwait. He frequently cornered me outside to preach the wonders of islam. This was shortly after Gulf War 1. Hassim had “avoided”fighting to free his country. He never said anything good about America and thought our value was paying the price to free his country from other muslims. He hated Iraqis as much as he disrespected Americans. Hassim told me that the West and islam had fought for centuries and now islam was poised to subdue/destroy the West. If I would convert to islam I could be on the winning side and spared. I thought he was full of shit and if murder was legal he would be history.
On 9-11 one of my first thoughts was of the things Hassim had told me a few years earlier. I know that we CANNOT exist in the same land area with muslims. They have a vocation to destroy us. When, oh when, are we going to get leadership that acknowledges that. I think George Bush committed a potentially fatal error when he declared islam a “religion of peace” and stated we were not at war with islam. Bush may have thought those statements would carry weight with us, but muslims are laughing uncontrollably at that misspeak. Bush should have been honest. Muslim immigration should have been terminated NLT 12Sep11.
As an aside. Through the Special Forces grapevine we got the word from A Team advisors that most Kuwati, Saudi, Omani, Emirates forces were more a hindrance to the Gulf War 1 coalitian than an asset. But they were needed for political purposes. They made it appear to be a united effort rather than the real scenario of a Western military force running rampant over a muslim military force. Too bad Bush 41 ended that rout 48hrs too soon, Political appearances you know. 100 hr. war looks so good in the history books. And Colin Powell’s pussy reaction to the destruction of the Iraqi forces retreat on the Road of Death still pisses me off.
No, America cannot absorb hordes of muslim immigrants and expect they will assimilate. They will not. The next few decades for us are going to morph into an intensified copy of the same muslim shit that Western Europe is experiencing now. Our one salvation is US Constitution, Amendment No.2. Let’s fight to keep that right.
Comment by TomR, armed in Texas — May 5, 2012 @ 1:20 pm
ColJ – thanks for the citation. The Greatest Briton deserves that much.
Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — May 5, 2012 @ 5:44 pm
The Assimilation Game should be simple and easy.
1. If you can’t, we will teach you.
2. If you won’t, we will make you.
3. If we can’t make you, we will expel you.
Comment by Lucius Severus Pertinax — May 6, 2012 @ 3:52 am