He probably should be tried for treason. He’s done more than enough shit to deserve it.
But he’s not gonna, and we’d be really super-duper stupid to try. We couldn’t even get it across to America that the Lewinsky thing was about perjury (a real crime), not boning a chubby intern (questionable judgment).
The potential for this to blow up in our faces when the media inevitably turns him into a martyr is absolutely vast. We’re talking full-blown “Zimmer score by the London Philharmonic and Spielberg upshots with glycerine lenses” canonization here.
It`s a long time until the Fall election. Even OBoBo (…acktooly,”Especially OBoBo”…) can step on his treasonous dick in that amount of time. When the RATz lose the Senate——-the game is afoot!
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — May 8, 2012 @ 9:05 am
To all of the above ^^^^ Yahhh!!! with a fist pump— oops sorry I really don’t care that much— I’ll save that for Nov.. When she stops breathing— I don’t know tho— when will she ever be in the area where she’d have to breath the same air as his??? If she ever is he could fart in her general direction—
The goal is to win. The goal is to throw the rascals felons out. Talking about treason won’t help with any of that. He’s wise to ignore it if he can.
Besides BHO is hardly the only one, and Leavenworth isn’t big enough to hold half the Democratic Party.
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 8, 2012 @ 11:06 am
I amuse myself by counting the ways that story has been manipulated:
“drew criticism” – from who? (bingo, Doug) – note the crowd was applauding, so my guess is the on-scene MSM snowflakes.
“He’s not the speech police” – to quote an Obamabot after the UFO/CIA Chief Thug said to “go get” the eeeevil Republicans.
Okay, I say we charge him, try him, execute him and THEN apologize!
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — May 8, 2012 @ 4:42 pm
Sigivald (9): As it happens, I’ve been thinking about this a little already. I’m not qualified to do so, but did anyway.
It’s my suspicion that in our legal system violating the Constitution isn’t a prosecutable crime unless a law has been passed that criminalizes whatever unconstitutional act is in question.
It’s true that the President and at least some of his appointees swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, and that they have instead frequently expressed, in a practical sense, contempt for it, and have very likely violated their oaths. I’m not sure that’s a criminal offense either; where is there a law forbidding doing this and stipulating a legal penalty?
I’m wondering whether anyone actually has a legal liability for Fast and Furious? On what grounds? Sure it’s outrageous, and I’d like to see every soul involved living out their days in a Federal maximum security prison, but I’m not sure there’s any legal grounds for it. I’m hoping that some of the financial shenanigans of the current administration might be prosecutable, but I’m not filled with hope even for this….
…might also look into the violation of official secrets, but it will be hard to prosecute successfully.
Perhaps someone with a legal education might like to weigh in.
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 8, 2012 @ 5:09 pm
Sigivald (9) Ironic (11)
There are more definitions of treason than the specific crime stated in the Constitution. Being a traitor, in the wider sense, needn’t be a crime per Constitution or statute. Betraying one’s countrymen isn’t necessarily a crime, but it can be.
I didn’t say that violating the Constitution was a crime (although I believe it is, since the Constitution declares itself to be the ultimate law of the land). I said that governmental action outside the Constitution was illegitimate and that anyone who intentionally ruled outside the Constitution was illegitimate, dictatorial, and treasonous (broader definition as betraying one’s countrymen).
To dismiss the Constitution without using the Constitutional process to do so is overthrowing the government by unconstitutional means. That certainly is a crime.
Those who hold government office swore a Constitutionally mandated oath to uphold the Constitution. If they knowingly intended, plotted, conspired, or acquiesced to ignore, usurp, or illegitimately change it, then they have committed a crime. (They are also subject to citizens’ righteous retribution outside the law, in my mind.)
The FedGov has no legitimate existence outside the Constitution. It is not a state of nature or a creation of God. It was created by the people and the States at the stroke of a pen, the Constitution.
If the FedGov fails to abide by the Constitution by acting outside its specified authority, if it fails to fulfill its duties, or if it dismisses the Constitution as a binding contract, then it becomes illegitimate. If it exercises power without the consent of the people, then it is a tyranny, pure and simple. The States and the people then have the right to form a new government (see: Declaration of Independence).
If the FedGov will not be bound by the Constitution, then neither are the States nor the people.
Comment by DougM (jackassophobe) — May 8, 2012 @ 6:18 pm
^ Doug, I’ve got no quarrel or difference with you on any substantive point about this matter.
It’s just that I want to know, pragmatically speaking, how to bring constitutional retribution to some of these assholes that is so painful that it will be a lesson to others.
In any case, I hope Republican congressional committees are investigating them ad nauseam from here till 2020, and that something with legal penalties can be found to apply to some of them. This would not be the first corrupt administration (or congress, I suspect) where people not only sweated but went to prison for a lengthy time.
I’m not so much into neocon grassrooters emoting in meetings as I am seeing the wicked hauled off in handcuffs.
Comment by Ironic in Denver — May 8, 2012 @ 6:44 pm
Corrupt politicians in jail, an illustrated guide: