They were ‘sposed to wait until after Captain Bullshit is reelected when he’ll have “more flexibility”.
Guess they don’t have much hope of that, or they know what a two-faced liar and a sockpuppet Manchild is.
Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — July 7, 2012 @ 7:58 pm
When there is no backbone in America, the rest of the world pushes the boundaries of good behavior.
If the precedent gets a second term, he will probably give the keys to the missile sites to the russians as well as all of the technical manuals.
Breaking News: … … In his (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.) fund-raising speech on Sunday, President Obama casually mentioned that he had personally been the lead pilot in the squadron of U.S. interceptors that apprehended the Russian bombers, therefore deterring them from nuking the holy shit out of the United States… this despite the fact that everybody thought he was on a bus in Ohio at the time…
The former defense secretary during the George W. Bush administration said he was asked recently what keeps him awake at night.
“What I worry about most today is American weakness,” Rumsfeld told a conference of congressional staff members and former government officials hosted by the Defense Forum Foundation on Capitol Hill.
#2 dick. Bingo and right on. From the first I saw that I think we all may have had a similiar thought of a ‘Godfather Moment’ the way he tapped Medvedev’s arm. Made me Barf.
Brilliant on the caption and pic Sondra. Bahahha!
More rattle sabring. Back recently China has her ship sink a South K boat. Then there was the “oops” missle that went off. Russia hates the hell out of the U.S. for doing to ‘him and his country culturally’ ala The Gipper, what the U.S. has been doing in all those 57 other states. So he and China decide to use Syria as a pawn. Now they fly the jets “near” the 200 mile limit. To the Chicoms and the Ruskies “We’re gonna tear you walls down once for all. Assholes.
Key word: destabilizing*
This is part of their propaganda effort to have us scrap missile defense.
Watch for that word to pop up in the MSM and talking-head discussions — it’ll point out the traitorscommies agents of influence.
* It’s not. It just pisses ‘em’ off, because it makes their strategic forces less useful.
Comment by DougM (November is coming) — July 7, 2012 @ 11:11 pm
Meanwhile, Obobobo said in a speech today in Ohio, “*cry of wounded rabbit*”
Comment by Claire: pink pig barbarian, etc — July 8, 2012 @ 7:18 am
Soooo, an ancient Russian bomber (50`s generation…), a 4-engine turboprop, NATO codenamed “Bear” flies into one of our ADIZ zones. It has the radar signature of an airborne San fucking Frisco and the speed of migrating geese!
If that is a sign of Russia`s latest threat, it really only confirms their obsolence! Would be like us putting anti-SAM missiles on a B17 Flying Fortress…..Today`s USAF/USN/USMC interceptors carry missiles with ranges in excess of 60-80 miles(classified…) w a probability of hit greater than 90%….
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — July 8, 2012 @ 10:23 am
^^ Aye that Sir! Question, we’re they escorted by MIG 17s or 19s?
No Wollf. MiG-17s/19s were designed for takeoffs & landings off of airfields right up on the front lines. They have fuel for about an hour of flight! No way could they escort bombers, plus the Ivans don`t fly them anymore in combat squadrons…. Prolly most of MiG-17 flight time comes in American air shows, where they are quite popular.
Having flown the MiG-17 in a long ago TS program, I discovered the SHITTY cockpit it has! NO airconditioning, NO heat, NO visibility, especially looking straight ahead, on account of the gunsight and thick canopy rails. Plus, the afterburner has to be engaged in level 1 G flight, takes about 10 seconds to light and basically turns fuel into loud noise and smoke!!! The MiG-17 ideal dogfight speed is only 360 fucking knots of airspeed
Get the old F4 Phantom below its 442 knots for best energy addition/conservation and a MiG-17 would eat your ass in 1 or 2 turns…..
God Bless the F/A-18 fucking Hornet!!!!!!!!!!!! (…1000 hrs in this child`s logbook……..)
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — July 8, 2012 @ 1:15 pm
……. Then, after setting the Boyz up with the task of Treasure hunting Seral numbers on a few more old pistols….. Their eyes are better, and they love a mission….. Well I got to laughing at Colonel “Zoomie’s” comment.
I know next to nuffin about aircraft, but I imagined this Bomber pilot looking out his windscreen and seeing an F22 going all Stall speed to be aside……
Like everything in the Russian military, their missiles work,——-except——-when they don`t! They make good SAMs, mainly because they hauled a shitload of Nazi German missile engineers back at the end of WWII (…we got some, who laid the groundwork for our Space Program…)
I think their most reliable missiles are those that haul peeps n shit back and forth to the International Space Station. *I* was impressed (…as in: squeezing the black juice out of the control stick…) in North Vietnam when SA-2 smoking missiles were coming my way, but we learned how to make them miss.
The Israeli Air Force got hurt real bad in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, when the Syrians fired new SA-6s at them; lost a bunch of aircraft and pilots….But, the Israeli tank drivers driving toward the Egyptians and the Suez Canal got surprised by the first Soviet ATGMs (anti-tank guided missiles..) called the “Suitcase SAGGER”. Crude in its guidance, basically a trooper flying a missile like todays kids remotely flying model airplanes, The Israelis figured out that firing their 50 caliber machine guns, mounted on top of the tanks, in the direction of the wire-guided missile operator from his *suitcase*—-caused him to *see God* and lose control of the SAGGER!
In closing, the best summary of Russian military technology is to NetFlix rent the movie entitled, “K19″. A true story of the 1st Soviet nuclear submarine disaster, in about 1960, I think….
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — July 8, 2012 @ 3:02 pm
Big plane!! But what are those funny-looking spinning things on the wings?
“The original Tu-95 was designed to carry two nuclear bombs to targets in the continental US.”
From last year: (same URL):
“Jul 8, 2011, 11:03 GMT Moscow – The Japanese air force scrambled jet fighters to intercept a pair of Russian naval bombers patrolling over the northeast Pacific Ocean and the Sea of Japan, Russian officials said Friday. The two Tu-95 turboprop bombers remained in international air space for their entire 11-hour flight, according to Defence MInistry spokesman Vladimir Drik. Japan sent two-fighter pairs of F-15 and F-2 aircraft to intercept and then escort the Russian bombers over portions of the flight, and there was no conflict between the two sides, Drik said, the Interfax news agency reported. ”
Aviation sites find props and swept-back wings (implying supersonic) a bit odd.
I thought that the Bear was that 1950′s turboprop! Looks like Col. Jerry, Sir! just confirmed that. I also think that the architecture is based on the B-29, which the rooshians ‘appropriated’ during WWII after some of them had to land in our ‘allies’ territory.
I couldn’t really find the actual payload capacity due the non-differeniatation between “loaded” and “empty” due to the fuel load, but it must have been a shitload.
Just re-watched The Atom Bomb Movie on Netflix, and the plane that air-dropped the 50+megaton bomb to end all bombs looked like a Bear. The amazing thing is that the footage still exists — meaning that it (and the chase planes) was fast enough to get away and survive the blast.
I like nukes. I think we need to have more of them, not less of them. I just don’t like who’s in charge of them right now.
Hog: The reason that Bear bomber survived the Tsar Bomb drop was because the bomb had a parachute on it ( as did all of the US dropable nukes ), and the scientists building it deliberately cut it down from the targeted 100 megaton yield specifically so it would not kill the bomber crew.
Kristophr: Thanks, but I knew that already from watching the movie. The bomb did have a fairly small parachute that probably slowed it down a little. I was just marveling at the load capacity and the speed of the Bear — which I think was about 500mph., or about 440 kts. for all you sticklers out there.
Meanwhile, we had the God Bless America B-52 which went over 600 while eating a sammich and having a glass of milk. The B-47 was no slouch either. The B-58 was double super fast, but it could only go about two city blocks at that speed.
And you didn’t need RADAR to know that the Bear was in the air because I guess the noise from the double counter-rotating turboprops broadcast its position to any and all. Still, not bad for a STOLEN American design.
P.S. Did I already say God Bless America? Well, God Bless America again!
P.P.S. Now I’m going to have to have me a sammich and a glass of… milk, and then maybe a shot of vodka.
P.P.P.S…
Q: What do you call a drink made with vodka and milk of magnesia?
Hmmm…. The Bear has also been used for reconnaissance…
I’d guess what they are really up to is establishing a pattern where we do nothing while they repeatedly humiliate us by gradually infringing on our space. The point being to teach us to not defend ourselves against escalating aggressive behavior. Once we have this behavior mapped in security matters, we’ll also be patterned to do the same in diplomatic matters, trade matters, security of allies, etc….
and then one day….
(although at this point Putin may be merely establishing that BHO is his bitch)
Comment by Ironic in Denver — July 9, 2012 @ 9:50 pm
Yeah, I’m so glad the cold war is over.
(Headdesk.)
No Generation Knows Peace, because there are assholes.
Comment by Merovign — July 7, 2012 @ 7:15 pm
They were ‘sposed to wait until after Captain Bullshit is reelected when he’ll have “more flexibility”.
Guess they don’t have much hope of that, or they know what a two-faced liar and a sockpuppet Manchild is.
Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — July 7, 2012 @ 7:58 pm
When there is no backbone in America, the rest of the world pushes the boundaries of good behavior.
If the precedent gets a second term, he will probably give the keys to the missile sites to the russians as well as all of the technical manuals.
After doing the same for our interceptor sites.
Comment by mech — July 7, 2012 @ 8:13 pm
Breaking News: … … In his (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.) fund-raising speech on Sunday, President Obama casually mentioned that he had personally been the lead pilot in the squadron of U.S. interceptors that apprehended the Russian bombers, therefore deterring them from nuking the holy shit out of the United States… this despite the fact that everybody thought he was on a bus in Ohio at the time…
Comment by Hog Whitman — July 7, 2012 @ 8:15 pm
The former defense secretary during the George W. Bush administration said he was asked recently what keeps him awake at night.
“What I worry about most today is American weakness,” Rumsfeld told a conference of congressional staff members and former government officials hosted by the Defense Forum Foundation on Capitol Hill.
“The signal of weakness is a dangerous one,” he said.
Rumsfeld said that throughout his 80-year life, “the world has been a safer place because of the United States of America.”
Comment by mech — July 7, 2012 @ 8:34 pm
#2 dick. Bingo and right on. From the first I saw that I think we all may have had a similiar thought of a ‘Godfather Moment’ the way he tapped Medvedev’s arm. Made me Barf.
Brilliant on the caption and pic Sondra. Bahahha!
More rattle sabring. Back recently China has her ship sink a South K boat. Then there was the “oops” missle that went off. Russia hates the hell out of the U.S. for doing to ‘him and his country culturally’ ala The Gipper, what the U.S. has been doing in all those 57 other states. So he and China decide to use Syria as a pawn. Now they fly the jets “near” the 200 mile limit. To the Chicoms and the Ruskies “We’re gonna tear you walls down once for all. Assholes.
Comment by LLoyd — July 7, 2012 @ 9:00 pm
Key word: destabilizing*
This is part of their propaganda effort to have us scrap missile defense.
Watch for that word to pop up in the MSM and talking-head discussions — it’ll point out the
traitorscommiesagents of influence.* It’s not. It just pisses ‘em’ off, because it makes their strategic forces less useful.
Comment by DougM (November is coming) — July 7, 2012 @ 11:11 pm
Meanwhile, Obobobo said in a speech today in Ohio, “*cry of wounded rabbit*”
Comment by Claire: pink pig barbarian, etc — July 8, 2012 @ 7:18 am
Soooo, an ancient Russian bomber (50`s generation…), a 4-engine turboprop, NATO codenamed “Bear” flies into one of our ADIZ zones. It has the radar signature of an airborne San fucking Frisco and the speed of migrating geese!
If that is a sign of Russia`s latest threat, it really only confirms their obsolence! Would be like us putting anti-SAM missiles on a B17 Flying Fortress…..Today`s USAF/USN/USMC interceptors carry missiles with ranges in excess of 60-80 miles(classified…) w a probability of hit greater than 90%….
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — July 8, 2012 @ 10:23 am
^^ Aye that Sir! Question, we’re they escorted by MIG 17s or 19s?
Comment by Wollf — July 8, 2012 @ 11:14 am
No Wollf. MiG-17s/19s were designed for takeoffs & landings off of airfields right up on the front lines. They have fuel for about an hour of flight! No way could they escort bombers, plus the Ivans don`t fly them anymore in combat squadrons…. Prolly most of MiG-17 flight time comes in American air shows, where they are quite popular.
Having flown the MiG-17 in a long ago TS program, I discovered the SHITTY cockpit it has! NO airconditioning, NO heat, NO visibility, especially looking straight ahead, on account of the gunsight and thick canopy rails. Plus, the afterburner has to be engaged in level 1 G flight, takes about 10 seconds to light and basically turns fuel into loud noise and smoke!!! The MiG-17 ideal dogfight speed is only 360 fucking knots of airspeed
Get the old F4 Phantom below its 442 knots for best energy addition/conservation and a MiG-17 would eat your ass in 1 or 2 turns…..
God Bless the F/A-18 fucking Hornet!!!!!!!!!!!! (…1000 hrs in this child`s logbook……..)
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — July 8, 2012 @ 1:15 pm
……. Then, after setting the Boyz up with the task of Treasure hunting Seral numbers on a few more old pistols….. Their eyes are better, and they love a mission….. Well I got to laughing at Colonel “Zoomie’s” comment.
I know next to nuffin about aircraft, but I imagined this Bomber pilot looking out his windscreen and seeing an F22 going all Stall speed to be aside……
“Oh Fuckski!”
As RTRKOF would say, “USA,UAS,USA!”
Comment by Wollf — July 8, 2012 @ 1:20 pm
^^oops, we overlapped. Thank you for the info Sir!
Comment by Wollf — July 8, 2012 @ 1:23 pm
So how are ivan’s cruise missiles?
I’ve never had reason to research them so don’t know if they are any concern, even if dropped from a flying cement truck.
Comment by mech — July 8, 2012 @ 2:23 pm
mech,
Like everything in the Russian military, their missiles work,——-except——-when they don`t! They make good SAMs, mainly because they hauled a shitload of Nazi German missile engineers back at the end of WWII (…we got some, who laid the groundwork for our Space Program…)
I think their most reliable missiles are those that haul peeps n shit back and forth to the International Space Station. *I* was impressed (…as in: squeezing the black juice out of the control stick…) in North Vietnam when SA-2 smoking missiles were coming my way, but we learned how to make them miss.
The Israeli Air Force got hurt real bad in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, when the Syrians fired new SA-6s at them; lost a bunch of aircraft and pilots….But, the Israeli tank drivers driving toward the Egyptians and the Suez Canal got surprised by the first Soviet ATGMs (anti-tank guided missiles..) called the “Suitcase SAGGER”. Crude in its guidance, basically a trooper flying a missile like todays kids remotely flying model airplanes, The Israelis figured out that firing their 50 caliber machine guns, mounted on top of the tanks, in the direction of the wire-guided missile operator from his *suitcase*—-caused him to *see God* and lose control of the SAGGER!
In closing, the best summary of Russian military technology is to NetFlix rent the movie entitled, “K19″. A true story of the 1st Soviet nuclear submarine disaster, in about 1960, I think….
Comment by Colonel Jerry USMC — July 8, 2012 @ 3:02 pm
Beware the Russian Bear.
TU-95
Big plane!! But what are those funny-looking spinning things on the wings?
“The original Tu-95 was designed to carry two nuclear bombs to targets in the continental US.”
From last year: (same URL):
“Jul 8, 2011, 11:03 GMT Moscow – The Japanese air force scrambled jet fighters to intercept a pair of Russian naval bombers patrolling over the northeast Pacific Ocean and the Sea of Japan, Russian officials said Friday. The two Tu-95 turboprop bombers remained in international air space for their entire 11-hour flight, according to Defence MInistry spokesman Vladimir Drik. Japan sent two-fighter pairs of F-15 and F-2 aircraft to intercept and then escort the Russian bombers over portions of the flight, and there was no conflict between the two sides, Drik said, the Interfax news agency reported. ”
Aviation sites find props and swept-back wings (implying supersonic) a bit odd.
Tu-95 specs
“Maximum speed 925 km/h
Service ceiling 12 km (39370 ft)
Combat radius 6 400 km (3977 mi)”
Comment by ZZMike — July 8, 2012 @ 5:47 pm
I thought that the Bear was that 1950′s turboprop! Looks like Col. Jerry, Sir! just confirmed that. I also think that the architecture is based on the B-29, which the rooshians ‘appropriated’ during WWII after some of them had to land in our ‘allies’ territory.
I couldn’t really find the actual payload capacity due the non-differeniatation between “loaded” and “empty” due to the fuel load, but it must have been a shitload.
Just re-watched The Atom Bomb Movie on Netflix, and the plane that air-dropped the 50+megaton bomb to end all bombs looked like a Bear. The amazing thing is that the footage still exists — meaning that it (and the chase planes) was fast enough to get away and survive the blast.
I like nukes. I think we need to have more of them, not less of them. I just don’t like who’s in charge of them right now.
Comment by Hog Whitman — July 8, 2012 @ 6:50 pm
Reagan won the war Obama is tring to lose.
Comment by Gwillie — July 8, 2012 @ 7:55 pm
Good boosters. Lousy TO. All the initiative of an anthill.
Comment by mojo — July 9, 2012 @ 8:07 am
Hog: The reason that Bear bomber survived the Tsar Bomb drop was because the bomb had a parachute on it ( as did all of the US dropable nukes ), and the scientists building it deliberately cut it down from the targeted 100 megaton yield specifically so it would not kill the bomber crew.
Comment by Kristophr — July 9, 2012 @ 11:06 am
Kristophr: Thanks, but I knew that already from watching the movie. The bomb did have a fairly small parachute that probably slowed it down a little. I was just marveling at the load capacity and the speed of the Bear — which I think was about 500mph., or about 440 kts. for all you sticklers out there.
Meanwhile, we had the God Bless America B-52 which went over 600 while eating a sammich and having a glass of milk. The B-47 was no slouch either. The B-58 was double super fast, but it could only go about two city blocks at that speed.
And you didn’t need RADAR to know that the Bear was in the air because I guess the noise from the double counter-rotating turboprops broadcast its position to any and all. Still, not bad for a STOLEN American design.
P.S. Did I already say God Bless America? Well, God Bless America again!
P.P.S. Now I’m going to have to have me a sammich and a glass of… milk, and then maybe a shot of vodka.
P.P.P.S…
Q: What do you call a drink made with vodka and milk of magnesia?
A: A Phillips Screwdriver!
Comment by Hog Whitman — July 9, 2012 @ 7:52 pm
Hmmm…. The Bear has also been used for reconnaissance…
I’d guess what they are really up to is establishing a pattern where we do nothing while they repeatedly humiliate us by gradually infringing on our space. The point being to teach us to not defend ourselves against escalating aggressive behavior. Once we have this behavior mapped in security matters, we’ll also be patterned to do the same in diplomatic matters, trade matters, security of allies, etc….
and then one day….
(although at this point Putin may be merely establishing that BHO is his bitch)
Comment by Ironic in Denver — July 9, 2012 @ 9:50 pm