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  1. Tempting, but no. We are truly fucked in the senate. In the house we can still be the “party of ‘no.” There is no shame in that when you consider someof the things we will be saying “no” to. We should be the party of “HELL no.” I think voting “present” will enrage enough of our own so that we might lose a few of the good reps we have left next time. All we will need is some strong, titanium spined Republicans in the house leadership to…

    Aw, crap.

    Comment by MikeG — November 11, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  2. I’m sticking with number one.

    Comment by Thomas M. — November 11, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  3. Me too.

    Comment by Alan outback bacon czar — November 11, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  4. MikeG…voting present will be akin to a political *shrug*.

    Let them OWN IT ALL.

    Let it burn.

    We have to allow it to collapse on itself sooner than later…it’s gonna regardless.

    Make them own it all.

    Comment by SondraK, Queen of my domain — November 11, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

  5. Hmmm. Infest teh senate with trained pigeons with poison poo.

    Then some conservative governors might send in worthwhile replacements that will do good things for America.

    (I had dinner too late and watched a Batman episode where the villain sent out hundreds of wind up mice with bombs in ‘em into the city. . .)

    Comment by mech — November 11, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

  6. Rush asks if the party needs an overhaul– I say NO it’s just what we want all we need so the elected to get of their asses and fight for us.

    Comment by geezerette — November 11, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

  7. All signs clearly indicated that liberal politicians will be the undoing of this nation, yet 70 million Americans decided in favor of a free lunch in spite of the looming reality of default and bankruptcy.

    Deficit spending will continue to weaken the economy, the military, our national security, and our way of life, despite the assurances of ivory-tower university professors and campaigning politicians with no real-world experience that our Precedent has us on the road to recovery with jobs for everyone, low-cost alternatives to fossil-fuels, and universal free health care.

    When Hussein Soetoro’s victory over McLame was announced 4 years ago, I said in this forum that I hoped, for the country’s sake, that he’d be a managerial success.

    Today, in this same forum, I say that his rectum should grow shut and a gravitational anomaly should develop directly beneath him at his next press conference so that he flies off into space at 1000 mph.

    And while we’re in that mode, Nancy Pelosi’s face should shatter and fall at her feet during the next House roll call. And Harry Reid should be kidnapped by the Sinaloa Cartel and never be seen again.

    Comment by bocopro — November 11, 2012 @ 5:05 pm

  8. Everyone should read Ezekiel and prepare to leave America

    Comment by Caged Insanity — November 11, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

  9. “Present”….. and while dressed up like Santa Claus.

    Comment by accipiter NW — November 11, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

  10. ^ *clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*

    Comment by SondraK, Queen of my domain — November 11, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

  11. Personally, I favor all the Senate Republicans hiding out every time Old Hairy wants to vote on something. No quorum, no vote.

    The House can keep sending over reasonable legislation, when the Senate ignores it, then nothing gets voted on.

    What? No new laws or other legislation?

    Heh, that’s a feature, not a bug!

    Comment by LoudLight — November 11, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

  12. The bastards cheated, and nationwide.

    We are SO f**ed.

    Comment by JoeBandMember® — November 11, 2012 @ 6:17 pm

  13. This is still my country. If I no longer have a political voice than I can just hunker down and wait for them to come get me. Molon labe, and all that.

    They cannot enslave me. They can only kill me. And I know the shits haven’t the stones to do that.

    Comment by Steve Skubinna — November 11, 2012 @ 6:47 pm

  14. Did I not part that idea a few days ago? I damn sure was talking about it.

    Yes, let them own it. Let people see it doesn’t work. The only stipulation should be, put in az sunset clause on all the legislation and the republicans will let it through unopposed.

    Comment by Brad — November 11, 2012 @ 6:51 pm

  15. People only need to watch California to see what’s coming. I belief they now have a veto proof state legislature plus Gov. Moonbeam at the Helm.

    Those folks might be begging for an earthquake by the end of 2014. Here’s hoping for a cold snowy winter too. Let’s let these bastards see how inept their government is in “taking care of them”

    Comment by MikeG — November 11, 2012 @ 7:36 pm

  16. 2. I’d present a bill in the House that raises taxes on black americans but gives huge tax cuts to Hispanics. Let the Senate chew on that one.

    Comment by Holger — November 11, 2012 @ 7:37 pm

  17. ^Loudlight (11) The Constitution requires a simple majority of senators, or 51, for a quorum. Dingy has more than that without Repubs, and the filthy son of a bitch is making noises about activating the nuclear option where Senate rules no longer allow filibuster.
    We’re sofa king screwed. Let it collapse. The looters must live with consequences of their choice.

    Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — November 11, 2012 @ 8:08 pm

  18. Again, the furriner speakin’, so take my comments with the requisite grain of salt, but I’d go with No 1 with one exception.

    That exception is the ONE thing that a Pub-led House genuinely controls, which is spending. All revenue and spending bills MUST originate in the House – Senate and Resident can’t spend dime one without House authorization.

    So start by not raising the debt limit (and let’s face it, if it’s raised automatically, then it’s not a limit but a target).

    And then send up a budget that makes Paul Ryan look like fucking Santa Claus. Gut everything (yes, including cuts to the military – there’s fat to be trimmed there).

    Let the Donks figure out what to do with it. And when they spend without authorization (as they will), start impeachment proceedings. Won’t result in conviction, but will stir the shit.

    (Caveat – gotta get rid of Cheese-Dick Boehner first….)

    Comment by Lord of the Fleas — November 11, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

  19. The House should refuse to lay Harry Reid’s game…

    The next time the House passes a bill, and Harry (as usual) refuses to let it come to a vote, the House will put Senator Reid
    ON NOTICE that the House will conduct NO further business until and unless Dingy Harry allows the bill to a vote.

    As SondraK says: “make them own it!”

    Comment by Lucius Severus Pertinax — November 11, 2012 @ 9:15 pm

  20. The important thing about “reach across the aisle”, however upstanding and conciliatory it may seem, is that the Reps become accomplices to the disaster the Dems have concocted.

    When all goes to shit, and blame is to be laid, the Reps, by saying “present”, might get to skate. Who cares if they’re called the party of ‘no’ right now, when later on, a desperate Uhbama & Cabal are casting about for a scapegoat?

    Reaching across the aisle may limit the downside short term, but long term there is no upside to it. Absolutely nothing the Dems plan to do with Uhbamacare, Cap & Trade, taxes, energy policy, and debt, short of a miraculous conversion to Constitutional Conservatives, can save the day from economic disaster. There is no upside for the Reps working with the Dems in the current situation.

    Nonetheless, the Stupid Party being the smarmy, risk averse pussies gentleman and ladies they are, they’ll probably do it and surrender all hope of ever winning this war. Unless they fire Boner.
    - Late breaking good news – McConnell just chopped Boner off at the knees saying “No tax hikes!” -

    Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — November 11, 2012 @ 10:59 pm

  21. 2. Libertarians should all bring canes to the Floor…
    Every day.

    Comment by Claire: rebellious pink pig with car keys - and a *cause* — November 11, 2012 @ 11:30 pm

  22. Sorry, Sondra, but that rolling over won’t work. The Republicans will get the blame no matter what they do. They should, therefore, replace loser Boehner with Paul Ryan and fight smart, and hard, and never ever quit.

    Comment by Hopefulone — November 12, 2012 @ 5:00 am

  23. Voting “present?” I thought that’s what the entire Senate has been doing for the last four years.

    Comment by Walt — November 12, 2012 @ 6:53 am

  24. In order to avoid becoming California writ large, we are going to have give the body politic a shock. The long slow slide into socialism is the worst option. You get a few big players (Apple, Google, Hollywood) supporting the rest and then you end up with stagnation and freebies forever. Rather, vote present, do not obstruct but do not vote in favor. Let Keynes be put to the test. When the economy craters further then, and only then, will people realize that it doesn’t work and never will.

    Voting present does not assume that there isn’t a fight going on. We have to get control of the governorships, the mid-term elections are coming and unless the GOP makes major gains in those areas they’re going to be hard pressed to win the fight. Democrats have been very very effective at blaming the GOP even when they get their way. Remember “pass the [jobs] bill”? There wasn’t even a bill.

    Comment by JustMe — November 12, 2012 @ 7:15 am

  25. One more idea: digital socialism. I saw a suggestion that we just gut IP law for entertainment. Make filesharing legal. Hollywood and the music industry have been hostile to our side for 30 years now. They go after the gun industry hammer and tongs. Why not return the favor?

    Comment by JustMe — November 12, 2012 @ 7:23 am

  26. So then … you are ready to make us gun owners go to war over our rights immediately?

    Nice of you to shove us on the front lines without bothering to ask us.

    Without any kind of checks, the first thing they will do is impeach four SCOTUS judges … or pull an FDR, and add three new justices … and ban any firearms they think they can get away with.

    Comment by Kristophr — November 12, 2012 @ 7:36 am

  27. Brad (14)…I didn’t see it but it’s better this way…GMTA! :)

    Comment by SondraK, Queen of my domain — November 12, 2012 @ 7:44 am

  28. Republican legislators must play it absolutely straight (for a change).
    They must always demonstrate the commitment to the goals of a free republic.
    “Republican” must be more than just a name, it must become a creed.

    Besides,
    we’re already in deep #2.

    Besides, besides,
    the citizenry and the states need to take their responsibilities, too.
    Maybe not a revolution, but a few revolts, rebellions, and f**k-yous might not go amiss.

    Comment by DougM (Well, thaaat sucked!) — November 12, 2012 @ 9:09 am

  29. House Republicans must not cave in.

    They must defund Obamacare.

    It alone is the worst threat to this country ever.
    The IRS will take your assets and your home when you have no job or can’t pay the premium on 28 hours a week.

    This IS fucking war.

    Comment by JoeBandMember® — November 12, 2012 @ 11:32 am

  30. Lord of the Fleas @ 18: “That exception is the ONE thing that a Pub-led House genuinely controls, which is spending. All revenue and spending bills MUST originate in the House

    First, one must have a budget, something we haven’t had in 3 1/2 years. While the House has originated budgets, the Senate refuses to do their half of the dance. Once we have a budget against which money has been appropriated, Congress can then say “don’t spend anything on that. Absent a budget, we’ve been running on “continuing resolutions.” During this period, Obama has turned to the Treasury (part of the executive branch) and told them to print money and where to send it.

    Thus, the House’s power of the purse has been nullified. Neat trick.

    Comment by Fat Baxter — November 12, 2012 @ 2:54 pm

  31. On the Constitutional requirement for the House to originate REVENUE legislation: Our whoring legislators get around that by taking any bill coming from the House, amending it by replacing the entire contents of that House bill with their own revenue measure, and then pretending they haven’t violated the spirit, if not also the letter, of Article 1, Section 7, of the Constitution:

    “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

    Comment by Hopefulone — November 12, 2012 @ 6:37 pm

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