Tempting, but no. We are truly fucked in the senate. In the house we can still be the “party of ‘no.” There is no shame in that when you consider someof the things we will be saying “no” to. We should be the party of “HELL no.” I think voting “present” will enrage enough of our own so that we might lose a few of the good reps we have left next time. All we will need is some strong, titanium spined Republicans in the house leadership to…
Rush asks if the party needs an overhaul– I say NO it’s just what we want all we need so the elected to get of their asses and fight for us.
Comment by geezerette — November 11, 2012 @ 4:44 pm
All signs clearly indicated that liberal politicians will be the undoing of this nation, yet 70 million Americans decided in favor of a free lunch in spite of the looming reality of default and bankruptcy.
Deficit spending will continue to weaken the economy, the military, our national security, and our way of life, despite the assurances of ivory-tower university professors and campaigning politicians with no real-world experience that our Precedent has us on the road to recovery with jobs for everyone, low-cost alternatives to fossil-fuels, and universal free health care.
When Hussein Soetoro’s victory over McLame was announced 4 years ago, I said in this forum that I hoped, for the country’s sake, that he’d be a managerial success.
Today, in this same forum, I say that his rectum should grow shut and a gravitational anomaly should develop directly beneath him at his next press conference so that he flies off into space at 1000 mph.
And while we’re in that mode, Nancy Pelosi’s face should shatter and fall at her feet during the next House roll call. And Harry Reid should be kidnapped by the Sinaloa Cartel and never be seen again.
^Loudlight (11) The Constitution requires a simple majority of senators, or 51, for a quorum. Dingy has more than that without Repubs, and the filthy son of a bitch is making noises about activating the nuclear option where Senate rules no longer allow filibuster.
We’re sofa king screwed. Let it collapse. The looters must live with consequences of their choice.
Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — November 11, 2012 @ 8:08 pm
Again, the furriner speakin’, so take my comments with the requisite grain of salt, but I’d go with No 1 with one exception.
That exception is the ONE thing that a Pub-led House genuinely controls, which is spending. All revenue and spending bills MUST originate in the House – Senate and Resident can’t spend dime one without House authorization.
So start by not raising the debt limit (and let’s face it, if it’s raised automatically, then it’s not a limit but a target).
And then send up a budget that makes Paul Ryan look like fucking Santa Claus. Gut everything (yes, including cuts to the military – there’s fat to be trimmed there).
Let the Donks figure out what to do with it. And when they spend without authorization (as they will), start impeachment proceedings. Won’t result in conviction, but will stir the shit.
(Caveat – gotta get rid of Cheese-Dick Boehner first….)
Comment by Lord of the Fleas — November 11, 2012 @ 8:15 pm
The House should refuse to lay Harry Reid’s game…
The next time the House passes a bill, and Harry (as usual) refuses to let it come to a vote, the House will put Senator Reid
ON NOTICE that the House will conduct NO further business until and unless Dingy Harry allows the bill to a vote.
As SondraK says: “make them own it!”
Comment by Lucius Severus Pertinax — November 11, 2012 @ 9:15 pm
The important thing about “reach across the aisle”, however upstanding and conciliatory it may seem, is that the Reps become accomplices to the disaster the Dems have concocted.
When all goes to shit, and blame is to be laid, the Reps, by saying “present”, might get to skate. Who cares if they’re called the party of ‘no’ right now, when later on, a desperate Uhbama & Cabal are casting about for a scapegoat?
Reaching across the aisle may limit the downside short term, but long term there is no upside to it. Absolutely nothing the Dems plan to do with Uhbamacare, Cap & Trade, taxes, energy policy, and debt, short of a miraculous conversion to Constitutional Conservatives, can save the day from economic disaster. There is no upside for the Reps working with the Dems in the current situation.
Nonetheless, the Stupid Party being the smarmy, risk averse pussies gentleman and ladies they are, they’ll probably do it and surrender all hope of ever winning this war. Unless they fire Boner.
- Late breaking good news – McConnell just chopped Boner off at the knees saying “No tax hikes!” -
Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — November 11, 2012 @ 10:59 pm
2. Libertarians should all bring canes to the Floor…
Comment by Claire: rebellious pink pig with car keys - and a *cause* — November 11, 2012 @ 11:30 pm
Sorry, Sondra, but that rolling over won’t work. The Republicans will get the blame no matter what they do. They should, therefore, replace loser Boehner with Paul Ryan and fight smart, and hard, and never ever quit.
Comment by Hopefulone — November 12, 2012 @ 5:00 am
Voting “present?” I thought that’s what the entire Senate has been doing for the last four years.
In order to avoid becoming California writ large, we are going to have give the body politic a shock. The long slow slide into socialism is the worst option. You get a few big players (Apple, Google, Hollywood) supporting the rest and then you end up with stagnation and freebies forever. Rather, vote present, do not obstruct but do not vote in favor. Let Keynes be put to the test. When the economy craters further then, and only then, will people realize that it doesn’t work and never will.
Voting present does not assume that there isn’t a fight going on. We have to get control of the governorships, the mid-term elections are coming and unless the GOP makes major gains in those areas they’re going to be hard pressed to win the fight. Democrats have been very very effective at blaming the GOP even when they get their way. Remember “pass the [jobs] bill”? There wasn’t even a bill.
One more idea: digital socialism. I saw a suggestion that we just gut IP law for entertainment. Make filesharing legal. Hollywood and the music industry have been hostile to our side for 30 years now. They go after the gun industry hammer and tongs. Why not return the favor?
Brad (14)…I didn’t see it but it’s better this way…GMTA! :)
Comment by SondraK, Queen of my domain — November 12, 2012 @ 7:44 am
Republican legislators must play it absolutely straight (for a change).
They must always demonstrate the commitment to the goals of a free republic.
“Republican” must be more than just a name, it must become a creed.
we’re already in deep #2.
the citizenry and the states need to take their responsibilities, too.
Maybe not a revolution, but a few revolts, rebellions, and f**k-yous might not go amiss.
Comment by DougM (Well, thaaat sucked!) — November 12, 2012 @ 9:09 am
House Republicans must not cave in.
They must defund Obamacare.
It alone is the worst threat to this country ever.
The IRS will take your assets and your home when you have no job or can’t pay the premium on 28 hours a week.
This IS fucking war.
Comment by JoeBandMember® — November 12, 2012 @ 11:32 am
Lord of the Fleas @ 18: “That exception is the ONE thing that a Pub-led House genuinely controls, which is spending. All revenue and spending bills MUST originate in the House”
First, one must have a budget, something we haven’t had in 3 1/2 years. While the House has originated budgets, the Senate refuses to do their half of the dance. Once we have a budget against which money has been appropriated, Congress can then say “don’t spend anything on that. Absent a budget, we’ve been running on “continuing resolutions.” During this period, Obama has turned to the Treasury (part of the executive branch) and told them to print money and where to send it.
Thus, the House’s power of the purse has been nullified. Neat trick.
Comment by Fat Baxter — November 12, 2012 @ 2:54 pm
On the Constitutional requirement for the House to originate REVENUE legislation: Our whoring legislators get around that by taking any bill coming from the House, amending it by replacing the entire contents of that House bill with their own revenue measure, and then pretending they haven’t violated the spirit, if not also the letter, of Article 1, Section 7, of the Constitution:
“All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”
Comment by Hopefulone — November 12, 2012 @ 6:37 pm