ToDaZeD CA *facepalm*

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  1. Sooo…
    will they letcha fill your swimming pool again?

    New order:
    Everybody water your lawns and wash your cars!
    Quickly, it’s your patriotic duty!

    Not an expert, here, but the temporary erosion of the spillways are not as big a problem as possible saturation of the under-dam area. That’s how catastrophic, life-threatening failures happen, if YouTube is any judge.

    My only advice is to ignore the EPA’s advice.

    Comment by DougM (side-eyed so-and-so) — February 11, 2017 @ 2:33 pm

  2. CA really needed to ask for that money 9 months ago, they would have had a much better chance.
    I can see Trump pointing and laughing and/or saying he has to redo their budget if they want $fed.

    Comment by Veeshir — February 11, 2017 @ 2:53 pm

  3. Gorebull Worming caused drought busted by Gorebull Worming caused rains. And I’m sure the spillway damage was caused by air conditioners. And the white heteronormative patriarchy.

    Comment by Fawkes News (Moar Cowbell) — February 11, 2017 @ 2:55 pm

  4. Brown is begging President Trump for an “Emergency Assistance”
    Bwaaahaaahaaa F*CK YOU Moonbeam.
    Divert some train money. Oh, you don’t have that either?
    Bwaaahaaahaa F*CK YOU Moonbeam.
    OK, make the most of it and run the train through the tunnel the water is making.

    Anywhere else, the Kalifornia management, state and county, utilities, et. al. would be indicted for fraud, malfeasance and other crimes yet unknown.

    Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — February 11, 2017 @ 3:58 pm

  5. Those shiny Gimme Programs are what keeps the likes of moonbeam dough-head and his butt buddies in power. Besides, spillways don’t vote and moonbeam’s constituents wouldn’t know one from a chicken anyway and couldn’t care less. They’re only interested in the shiny Gimme Programs – it’s all circular, you know.

    Comment by bo1921 — February 11, 2017 @ 5:02 pm

  6. Sooo…
    no Calexit, then?

    If I were Trump.
    I’d order a re-direction of all of CA’s Fed$ to this,
    thereby saving the day.
    Then, I’d order that any $ needed above that amount come from the existing EPA budget.
    Then, I’d sue the state for reimbursement, since it’s not an interstate issue.
    Then, I’d fire any EPA weenie who said it was.
    Then, I’d audit the begeezus out of it and put a few heads on pikes.

    Comment by DougM (side-eyed so-and-so) — February 11, 2017 @ 5:15 pm

  7. California is asking Donald Trump for help after receiving some golden state showers? Bwahahaha.

    Comment by Nomen Nescio — February 11, 2017 @ 6:37 pm

  8. I wonder if Gov Brown takes to twitter…
    @PresidentTrump There’s a hole in my spillway, Dear Prezzy Dear Prezzy
    DJTrump @GovBrown Well fix it, dumb Moonbeam, dumb Moonbeam! Fix it.

    Comment by accipiterNW — February 11, 2017 @ 7:13 pm

  9. ^ He Liza lot?
    (sorry)

    Comment by DougM (side-eyed so-and-so) — February 11, 2017 @ 7:16 pm

  10. That’s kinda the same as the way liberals are running WA State Government.

    Maybe WA is worse, given the activities of our Attorney General who wants Inlee’s seat, among other things, in 2020.

    Comment by Joe Bandmember ≠ damn right I'm not equal to that — February 11, 2017 @ 7:35 pm

  11. Put the illegals from the sanctuary cities to work carrying dirt and riprap to fill in the hole. Maybe some of the nekkid people from Frisco can help.

    Maybe they can get Mexico to fund the repairs, seeing as how it’s all supposed to be Aztlán or Axolotl or Axle lube or whatever now.

    Texas needs to pass a law REAL QUICK blocking anyone from Cali from entering Texas. Even enroute to New Yawk City.

    (And yes, I know they don’t like being called Cali or Frisco.)

    Comment by OldFert — February 11, 2017 @ 7:56 pm

  12. OMG.

    It’s too bad there wasn’t like a brazillienty dollar stimulus or something to take care of infrastructure like this!

    Maybe Solyndra can help.

    Comment by SondraK, Queen of SondraKistan — February 12, 2017 @ 3:27 am

  13. In order to be allowed residency in California, you must first take an IQ test. If you pass, you can’t come in.
    Power towers below the emergency spillway. What were they thinking?
    Within two years, they will be rationing water again.
    (And yeah, I know IQ tests aren’t pass/fail; but they should be.)

    Comment by Paul Moore — February 12, 2017 @ 6:12 am

  14. ^In order to be allowed residency in California, you must first take an IQ test. If you pass, you can’t come in.

    Hate to tell you, but there are a lot of police forces in the US that hire on exactly that principle …

    Comment by Lord of the Fleas — February 12, 2017 @ 9:20 am

  15. Actually if they are still allowing flow over that spillway, they are courting disaster. In a later photo, one can already see that soil is being removed from underneath the flow channel. If that continues, the erosion will cause the section above the hole to fail, and the damage will move uphill until the top fails, too. If that happens, the entire dam could go.
    I am involved with dam safety, albeit with much smaller dams.

    Comment by Russell — February 12, 2017 @ 1:51 pm

  16. Apart from the deferred maintenance issue: I’m given to understand that California has, over the past twenty-five years or so, actually destroyed a number of dams because of the enviroNazis wanting to return rivers to their natural state.

    And now suddenly they want help with water storage?

    Comment by Wes S. — February 12, 2017 @ 3:24 pm

  17. Is this California that wants federal money the same California that was talking about secession last week?

    Comment by rickn8or — February 12, 2017 @ 9:49 pm

  18. Send Gov. Moonbeam a fed buck for every illegal he turns over to ICE for deportation.

    Comment by Dave72 — February 13, 2017 @ 6:54 am

  19. Yay! New shiny train that will go a bazillion miles an hour and cost 100 bazillion bucks.

    Maintenance of critical infrastructure? No man, we can’t afford that!!

    Comment by Blake — February 13, 2017 @ 8:06 am

  20. Jerry Brown just signed into law an increase in the gas tax of 17 cents a gallon, which will raise over two billion dollars a year for the coffers of California.

    No need for money from the feds. . . they just have to use maybe six weeks of that new money they’re getting from the gas pumps to repair the spillway.

    Comment by Ben Wilson — February 13, 2017 @ 8:48 am

  21. In Kardashifornia, math is hard.

    Comment by Distilled Spirit — February 13, 2017 @ 8:57 am

  22. Hullo from over here in Brexitland – can I just say, seems to me this is as good a way as any to say to Pharaoh Trump “let my people go, or you’ll end up having to pay this kind of nonsense for us!”

    Comment by Andy Smith — February 13, 2017 @ 9:12 am

  23. Not $1.00 in federal (disaster) aid to KKKahlifornia. Evah.

    Comment by Paul A'Barge — February 13, 2017 @ 9:28 am

  24. I think it’s a bit late to worry about water coming from the spillway. The emergency spillway is adjacent to the primary spillway. Looking at satellite photos (so not the best information), it appears the design was for the water to flow away from the primary spillway. However, you can see what looks like a natural flow that moves toward the primary for a bit before jogging away. The picture named Odam5 shows some splash to the left (NW) of the primary spillway, which is the approximate vicinity of the emergency spillway flow.

    In short, I think the erosion in the primary spillway has degraded enough to cause a diversion of the emergency spillway flow. If so, the only good news is that damage appears about .5 mile away from the actual dam, so this is mostly erosion of the previous natural hill structure. I think California will get lucky and avoid a dam collapse, but that’s about it. Those trees (and concrete from the primary spillway) are still going to be washed away and headed downstream, and the water overtopping will still fill areas downstream.

    Oh, and remember when dam removal was the thing in California? Good times, good times! Great day to be a salmon in California, and isn’t that what really matters?

    Comment by Leland — February 13, 2017 @ 10:04 am

  25. Here’s the big question that so far as I know has not been asked. “where in the hell is the rebar that is supposed to be put in the spillway to shore up the integrity of the spillway when it was built”? I’m the taxpayers were billed for it, it just never made it to the project. WTG, DWR, WTG!!

    Comment by Kimbal — February 13, 2017 @ 10:25 am

  26. FWIW – You might want to dial back the glee a bit, the counties affected by the dam vote conservative. I know it’s easy to lump all Californians in with the coastal crazies, but the folks fleeing this massive cock-up are working and middle class people from small cities and towns who share your values.

    Millions of us, most who have been here for generations, are held hostage by the blue cities and counties and it sucks.

    Comment by BJM — February 13, 2017 @ 10:33 am

  27. Comment by USMC2841 — February 13, 2017 @ 1:14 pm

  28. Climate models, which 105% of all scientist believe, showed that there would never be an overflow of any dam in California because it was never going to rain or snow much ever again.

    This is settled science folks. Move along.

    Comment by DocScience — February 13, 2017 @ 1:37 pm

  29. Minus accepting complete dam failure, there really is no alternative but to use that damaged spillway.

    That dam was built in the modern age but there is zero redundancies built in should one system fail, (the dams emergency/alternative “spillway” was untested and actually only consists of an easily eroding hillside with “*bedrock” at a considerable depth — considerable enough erosion undermined the footing of the emergency spillway in only hours of its first use. If they had continued its use, (or need to during the coming rain or spring snow melt), erosion could reach the upper sections of the already damaged cement spillway.

    For an idea how redundancy should look when dealing with something so critical let’s go back in time and look at the tower bridge in London. Each critical system was more than doubled and the methods for tilting the bridge decks were actually quadrupled, (each power station alone capable of providing the necessary force to lift both spans, plus each having an exact duplicate directly beside it). And this was all done only to insure unhindered ship traffic along the river Thames. This 1894 bridge is still in use today.

    Back to the present, this dam protects, (“threatens” more like it), close to 200,000 lives yet with the main/only spillway in danger of further uphill collapse and months of rain and snow melt to take place, this dam amounts to a ticking time bomb.

    (*) The “bedrock” of this hillside appears to be a kind of slate and it’s ability to withstand water erosion appears limited.

    Comment by FishOrMan — February 14, 2017 @ 7:16 am

  30. I watched the news about the flooding, interested because in 1969 I had a tour of the whole water project from Oroville to LA. The Aqueduct was still under construction and the Tehachapi pump station was near completion.

    I had a phone call last night from a friend who was then living in San Francisco. He reminded me of my negative comments about the design, location and landform of the emergency spillway. No paved apron, too close to the dam and sloped the wrong direction.

    Crossed fingers. They still have 40,000 cfs of inflow, with more rain coming in the watershed. No choice but to keep going with the present 100,000 cfs discharge.

    While the Delta-Mendota canal supports a lot of irrigation in the Central Valley, the Aqueduct is very important to the agricultural portion of the state’s economy. California is already in deep doo-doo because of the save-the-minnow claque.

    Comment by Desertrat — February 14, 2017 @ 9:01 pm

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