It’s a Culture – Not A Costume!!

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  1. Comment by Fawkes News — March 17, 2017 @ 9:17 am

  2. An Irish priest is driving along a country road when a police man pulls him over. He immediately smells alcohol on the priest’s breath and notices an empty wine bottle in the car.

    He says: “Have you been drinking?”

    “Just water,” says the priest.

    The cop replies: “Then why do I smell wine?”

    The priest looks at the bottle and says: “Good Lord! He’s done it again!”

    Comment by Jess — March 17, 2017 @ 11:17 am

  3. Here in New Mexico, every Cinco de Mayo the Scots/Irish pretend to enjoy mariachi music.

    But on Saint Patrick’s day, we listen to the songs of our people, in the original mariachi…as the Good Lord intended.

    No green beer. Extra limes. Irish butter on the tortillas, as intended.

    Comment by neal — March 17, 2017 @ 12:07 pm

  4. Ahhh, history.

    Wait…
    green is a “color” to be a “people of,” innit?

    Researchin’ me ol’ Dad’s ancestors from Canadia, found a census form listing Great-Grandma’s race as “Irish.” Wow, white privilege and the pecking order sure have changed.

    Comment by DougM (recovering white male) — March 17, 2017 @ 12:41 pm

  5. Funny, *ha-ha*, or funny, sick in the head?

    …although I kind’a see it as “green pride.”

    Comment by DougM (recovering white male) — March 17, 2017 @ 1:02 pm

  6. I’m so thankful that I grew up in a time where the concept of “scary” was pretty much relegated to the domain of horror movies like Frankenstein. Yes, in elementary school, we had to go out in the hallway and crouch up against the walls for our nuclear bomb drills, but we were never scared about it – also, it was mandatory, so …

    Comment by bo1921 — March 17, 2017 @ 1:23 pm

  7. Do green teeth count?

    Comment by Joe Bandmember ≠ ® "damn right I'm not equal to that" ™ — March 17, 2017 @ 1:42 pm

  8. If only it were mushroom season.

    Comment by Joe Bandmember ≠ ® "damn right I'm not equal to that" ™ — March 17, 2017 @ 1:43 pm

  9. #endstpatricksday.
    Fair enough….after we end Black History Month & MLK Day.

    Let’s see her try to push that exchange.

    Comment by dick, not quite dead white guy — March 17, 2017 @ 2:15 pm

  10. Say it loud, I’m Irish black and I’m proud

    Comment by Daemon — March 17, 2017 @ 4:44 pm

  11. Thanks for that link on Irish slavery. I had no idea. I knew about the press gangs for the sailors, I knew about indentured servitude. I had no idea of actual white slavery. But as is often the case, that certain types love to overlook, slavery and worker abuse outside of the American colonies was far, far worse and much larger than what went on here, starting with evil Columbus and going on until Brazil finally ended slavery nearly 24 years after the USA did.

    Comment by drew458 — March 18, 2017 @ 10:06 am

  12. Can anyone find this Proclamation of 1625 online? I can’t, but I can find plenty of articles that hotly “de-bunk” the whole business, because of a typo (James “II” wasn’t born until 1633, so he didn’t issue this Proclamation if it existed; either James I or Charles I would be king in 1625) and the white wash of the indentured concept. However, all these 1625 stories trace back to one guy, a book by Herbert Byrd. There was Cromwell and his ethnic cleansing, there was the Plantation Act, the Settlement of Ireland of 1652 Act, and the “Connaught or Hell” proclamation of May 1 1654. All of which point towards transportation and enslavement. But i can’t find the 1625 document. Help?

    Comment by drew458 — March 18, 2017 @ 11:29 am

  13. @ drew458

    does this help?

    not the actual proclamation, but a summary, kind of:
    https://mediachecker.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/irish-slavery/

    Comment by jlw — March 18, 2017 @ 1:04 pm

  14. @ drew458

    i dug further and i suspect that you already had what i posted above. not really any help. i did find an archive in california that lists the proclamations from 1609 to 1783. the only three for 1625 had to do with tobacco. i also checked the Byrd book. he doesn’t even list the proclamation in the references. strange.

    i wasn’t any help, sorry

    Comment by jlw — March 18, 2017 @ 2:03 pm

  15. That’s my point JLW. Many places mention the thing, but nobody seems to have a copy. I even found a list of all royal proclamations made by the Tudor kings, and it wasn’t there either. So is it BS? And if it is BS, does the rest of the tale then fall apart?

    There are many who want the entire slavery story to be how whitey abused them po po Afrikanz in the USA. And how it was a unique and special thing, because no other kind of slavery anywhere ever was generational. And this is simply not true. Treating lifelong, generational, Indentured Servitude as some kind of happy picnic because one “i” was not dotted or “t” crossed is disingenuous at best.

    The virulence of the English Catholic vs Protestant conflict seems unhinged by today’s “civilized” standards, and that embarrassment gets swept under the rug of history. But it was real. Add the takeover of Ireland to the mix, a people who did not want to be ruled by outsiders even if they lost to them on the battlefields, and you get the horrors visited on them. And as I mentioned earlier, the blind eye that history in the USA turns towards anything south of Florida.

    When murder of a certain kind of people is no crime, when they can be stolen off the street and sold into bondage, when working them and abusing them till death is an accepted business practice, when using as sex toys and breeding them for market is commonplace … then you’ve got slavery. It’s not just A Black Thing. But it hurts those little community organizer’s feeeeelings to accept that negro slavery in the New World only gained a foothold as the third iteration; first the natives, then the Irish (or any Catholic available), and then the Africans. They were cost prohibitive as a business model; higher up front costs, higher shipping costs, and less of an ROI because they received better care to protect that investment. Oooh, that must just gall them no end, so let’s bury it and deny it. And ignore that in the islands and Spanish colonies it was far worse and far bigger. And ignore the reality of what went on in Africa, tribes selling tribes and the whole Arab aspect, to the point today that the slave trader Swahili language is idolized as Authentic African, and the Islamic faith is largest among the Black Community. Of course, they just love pimps and hos too, which is a kind of modern slavery. It just don’t figure.

    Comment by drew458 — March 18, 2017 @ 3:39 pm

  16. Neal- Fellow New Mexican Porch denizen!

    Contact me so’s we can get a beverage sometime soon. If you are in the big city, we could meet at Monk’s Corner.

    Comment by mech — March 19, 2017 @ 12:50 pm

  17. Oh, and “Black Olives Matter”

    Comment by mech — March 19, 2017 @ 12:51 pm

  18. I missed St Patrick’s Day. Been recovering from International Greek Day aka Pi Day. Damn Ouzo hit me hard. (Jk)

    Comment by accipiterNW — March 19, 2017 @ 5:50 pm

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