ToDaZeD CA *facepalm*

going national edition
bit in their teeth, no stopping them now

There’s a group called Patriot Prayer who has a permit for a rally on Crissy Field in San FranFreakshow. They are meeting with some resistance.

Remember the ol’ Proggie/Lefty trope about nuance? Fuggeddaboudit.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi is asking the National Park Service to reconsidered allowing an alt-right white supremacist rally to happened at San Francisco’s Crissy Field.

“San Francisco takes great pride in being a city of peace which cherishes free speech and the right to public dissent. However, the National Park Service’s decision to permit a white supremacist rally at Crissy Field raises grave and ongoing concerns about public safety.

“I am deeply alarmed by the hateful and dangerous nature of the event, its timing so soon after the horrors in Charlottesville, and the serious questions over whether the National Park Service is at all equipped to ensure public safety during a white supremacist rally. The NPS should reevaluate its decision and its capacity to protect the public during such a toxic rally.

“We must wonder, where is the decision to permit a white supremacist rally in a national park being made? At the National Park Service? In the Department of the Interior? Or under guidance from the White House?

“Perhaps those making the decision did not know that Crissy Field is a place where families gather, where tourists visit, and the community comes together. Free speech does not grant the right to yell fire in a crowded theater, incite violence or endanger the public in any venue.”

So who is Patriot Prayer? Hard to say… They have a F/B page but no “about”, no “mission statement”, and no other web page I can find. [maybe I'm bad at finding stuff...]

So we must judge by what they publicly say and do. Last Sunday they held a rally in Seattle:

Joey Gibson, Patriot Prayer’s chief organizer … “Fuck white supremacists! Fuck neo-Nazis!” Gibson told the crowd, reminding them that he himself is a person of color, “and I have no use for that kind of thinking. It’s wrong.”

…Gibson was confronted near the stage by a young woman in Seahawks garb as he was trying to wrap things up. She wanted to know why he brought a “Trump rally” to Seattle.

“This isn’t a Trump rally,” Gibson told her.

“This isn’t a Trump rally?” she replied. “You’ve just got all these people in Trump hats, selling them Trump shit, bumper stickers, everything.”

“People can support — we had Hillary supporters up here, we had Bernie supporters up here, Black Lives Matters, we had Trump haters up here,” Gibson retorted.

Oh his F/B page [yes, I have one -- I use it to spy on my chillunz and get Xmas plans from my SinLs. get past it], Joey Gibson discusses the line-up for his SF rally [vid BTF]:

“Nancy Pelosi calls me a ‘White Supremacist’. … I’m not white! [laughs] … I just realized this, …we have one [1] white male speaker … we got hispanics .. we got three [3] African American speakers, we got a transexual, we got a woman … “

… I’m trying to build a community of the moderates. I’m so tired of the extremists trying to pull us apart. on the right and on the left …

I don’t know anything further about this outfit, but they don’t sound White Supremacist to me.

I think they’ll serve as a lightening rod or canary in the coal mine by which the focus of the Anti-Free Speech outfits can be gauged. Worth keeping an eye on as, in this Post-Charlotsville era, it’s so easy to simply call anyone ya disagree with a White Supremacist™ and cut off any support or factual investigation from the media — or anyone else. E Z Peasy.

“Taxes are too high” :: White Supremacist™!!!

“Government is too big” :: White Supremacist™!!!

“I now need a permit to change a lightbulb in my bathroom??” :: White Supremacist™!!!

yep… E Z Peasy.

Gibson's video »

here’s yer sign

More than 50 buildings built with funds from US taxpayers directed to West Virginia are named for either Byrd or his wife, Erma Ora Byrd (née James).[2] Several transportation projects named for Byrd have gained national notoriety, including the Robert C. Byrd Highway…

Protesters vandalized and attempted to take down the Peace Monument in Piedmont Park in Atlanta on Sunday, mistaking it for a pro-Confederate statue

previously

the state I’m in

I wonder, is it George Washington next week?
—President Donald J. Trump

inspired by an old joke

To wit:
Yo mamma so ugly, her parents had to tie a pork chop around her neck to get the dog to play with ‘er.

camo fail

And now… leftist stereotypes caricatures

~ story ~

(What? Uhm, dunno if that’s purple, mauve, or lilac. I’m straight.)

Can’t wait to see ‘em with their helmets on

Change

how’s your Hope comin’ along…

Is this what we’re down to?

The government removes History in the dead of night because it fears The People.

Crews removed [four*] Baltimore’s Confederate statues early Wednesday

“There’s enough grandstanding, speeches being made. Get it done,” [Baltimore Mayor Catherine E. Pugh (D)] recalled thinking as they were removed. “With the climate of this nation, I think it’s very important we move very quickly and quietly.”

…she defended skipping those steps as necessary for keeping the community safe.

…She didn’t have an estimate for how much the statue removal would cost taxpayers.

Perhaps if the Mayor had declared that any Political Violence from any Individual would be met with police response, arrest, and conviction, she could have avoided serving The People with a nice, steaming, expensive cuppa STFU.

But, apparently, public demonstrations of …well, anything are now limited to those who are willing and able to commit Political Violence. The rest of us — the vast majority — have too much sense and too much to lose to risk that kind of street brawling.

There’s a Change.

*Confederate Women of Maryland
Jackson-Lee Monument [Confederate Generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. “Stonewall” Jackson]
Roger B. Taney, the former chief justice who authored the Dred Scott decision

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historical ref

There’s actually a really good word for this crap

Iconoclasm: the deliberate destruction of religious icons or monuments, usually for religious or political motives. People who engage in or support iconoclasm are called iconoclasts, a term that has come to be applied figuratively to any person who breaks or disdains established dogma or conventions.

Iconoclasm may be carried out by people of one religion against the icons of another faith, as was the case with the early Israelite policy against Canaanite religion, as well as the Christian policy against the symbols of Roman paganism, and Muslim actions against both Christian and pagan images. However, iconoclasm is often the result of sectarian disputes between factions of the same religion.

The faiths involved here?
True-believers in authoritarian cults vs those who believe in freedom.

It’s getting worse, so, no, this prob’ly won’t end well.

Then again, they arrre ridding us of all these statues of Democrats.

I did say icommieclasts™, did I not? Hey, even more commies!
(What? Yeah, hate bein’ so dadburned right, when I’m just tryin’ to be a wiseass.)

Can I axe you some tin?

Coupla Things

and some questions…

First: Who didn’t see this coming?!?

If a country allows Political Violence to occur unopposed, more Political Violence will be encouraged.

If said Political Violence originates from one political side, those on the other political side will feel left out and begin to participate.

NB Those who commit Political Violence are, by definition, extremists. People with regular lives, jobs/businesses, homes, kids, etc have too much to lose. As Papa said, never hang out with people who have nothing to lose.

Second: Since when did “we” decide that a person’s actions ought to be judged on the basis of his beliefs. The Law judges behavior. Period.

Murder is wrong. Murder is illegal. It’s not relevant if the murdered person said something horrifyingly insulting. It is not relevant if the murdered person believes something morally repugnant. Murder is illegal and must be prevented or punished if a civilization would wish to conduct normal business and have any ability to create and prosper.

Same goes for assault, theft, and destruction of others’ property. There is no way a civilization can function if those mis-behaviors are not swiftly, clearly, and consistently prevented / punished.

That idea was once considered Civilization 101: now it seems to be obscure and arcane knowledge.

Somebody please ‘splain to me how this is “defending White Supremacists”?

Trump: I will tell you something. I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it, and you have- You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now. You had a group, you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent.

Reporter: Do you think what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis?

Trump: Those people, all of those people- excuse me. I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups, but not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch.

Reporter: Well, white nationalists-
[look -- this is how/where/when the language gets changed. e~C]

Trump: Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee. So … Excuse me. And you take a look at some of the groups and you see and you’d know it if you were honest reporters — which in many cases you’re not. But many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So, this week it’s Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder is it George Washington next week and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself where does it stop? But they were there to protest- excuse me. you take a look the night before, they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of the Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question. Go ahead.

Good question. Almost foreshadowing…

Reporter: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

Trump: I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and it was horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side — you can call them the left, you’ve just called them the left — that came violently attacking the other group, so you can say what you want but that’s the way it is.

Here, PDT is addressing the behavior — no matter the political leanings and ‘Moral plane’ of the participants. That is a separate discussion. But he is not articulate enough to ‘splain it clearly enough for those who don’t already understand to get a whiff of a hint of a clue of the actual issue at hand. *facepalm*

Trump: Well, I do think there’s blame- Yes. I do think there’s blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides and I have no doubt about it and you don’t have any doubt about it either and- and- and- and if you reported it accurately, you would say it.

Reporter: Neo-Nazis started this in Charlottesville. They showed up at Charlottesville, they-

Trump: Excuse me.

Reporter: To protest the removal of that-

Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

Reporter: Do you support white nationalists, then?

Are you f’n kidding??? That is the conclusion you got from his words??!? Or one you came into the room holding dear in your pocket?

These are the same people who used to whinge about “lack of nuance.” Yet they are unable to consider that there were people of more than two dare I say? Black and White philosophies present in that group of thousands of people.

When a civilization judges behavior, it does so — must do so — on the basis of Individual Behavior. Now an attempt is being made to change that to where an individual’s behavior is considered on the basis of their Identity Group™. That cannot possibly work. If all individuals are not Equal Before The Law, we devolve to feudal factions with privileged classes and purchased indulgences, then into simple tribal warfare. It’s the idea most counter to American Values I can think of. Now we’re just fighting over who gets to be the winning Identity Group.

In the streets.

As to the “Moral Plane”: Some Many seem to be implying that because the Values of one side are repugnant — and they are — that the behavior of that side is more reputnant — and ought to be less tolerated — than the same behavior of the other group — which is somehow to be tolerated. Ridiculous.

As to the Values of the other side, being Against Free Speech, being intent to enforce their views By Any Means Necessary [BAMN], being in favor of one race and offended to the point of violence at any suggestion that the lives of any other races matter
doesn’t seem *to me* to give them any Moral Highground.

Aside: Incidentally, I think it is completely stupid to remove any historic monuments. Destroying your own History — both the admirable and not so admirable parts — is suicide.

We already removed the History of the Civil War from school books — it’s hard to find any balanced, un-revised books as an adult. [any recommendations would be welcomed, btw]

Howinhell are we going prevent a repetiton of History if we can’t even learn about it — if we try to erase its very existence only to replace it with a bumper-stickered version??!?

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Kerfluffel warning — this part:

Trump: Excuse me, what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right. Do they have any semblance of guilt?

[Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.]

Trump: Let me ask you this. What about the fact they came charging — that they came charging, with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do. So, you know, as far as I’m concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day-

Transcripts vary according to the skills — and apparently intent — of the transcribers. There is a kerfluffel of intention to misreport [Fake Nooz!!] that part that has Trump saying “what about the alt-left that came charging at us — excuse me — what about…

Daily Caller covers it well — with video — and it’s worth the time — just to remind us never to believe what you hear first. …or second, or third.

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the truth is neither nice nor cruel it’s just the truth

…Trump denounced hatred and violence “on many sides.” The comment drew sharp criticism across the political spectrum for not explicitly condemning the white nationalists

..you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.”…

—President Donald J. Trump

Why won’t the democrats condemn the violence of Antifa and the BLM terrorists?

No flowers for YOU!

A gay Nazi and KKK member walk into a flower shop looking for flowers for their wedding……